contrast o/t

[TF_herbie]

whilst our elected and unelected peers gathered for a royal backslapping party/jolly in parliment yesterday, not 50 miles away a different party was taking place. six family,s were having their sons returned in boxes. you would think that the repatreation of dead soldiers might have caused a somber mood amongst our leaders , not a chance. you may even have thought that instead of listening to the royal inane drivel they may of actualy gone to brize norton to pay their respects. not a chance.
to date we have lost 404 soldiers killed and thousands wounded FOR WHAT. is there a man/woman in this country who actualy cares what the afgans do, is there anyone who believes that if we left we would be attacked by “al whatever” because he will have a safe haven. if there is i have yet to meet them.
we the people of this once proud nation ( alas no more) have for centuries had our sons and daughters sacrificed at the alter of our leaders whims , and i for one am tired of being the worlds whiping boy, we need to bring all our troops home and secure our borders, our elected leaders need to spend time with the greiving family,s explaining why since we invaded afganistan the poppy yeild has increased 600% year on year, why we allow every man jack into our country and refuse to expell them even though they are dangerous. we even allow them benifits and the freedom to roam amongst us. most of all i would just once before i die like to see one of these self seeking political bastards attend one of these homecommings in person just to get some incling of the suffering those poor family,s are going through. will it happen ?? dont hold your breath, there far too busy looking at ways to fleece the wounded and save enough cash to pay for yesterdays jolly with the queen.
i am not ashamed to say i wept at those television pictures from brize norton yesterday, my thoughts and prayers went to the families, at the same time i understood why guy fawkes wanted to blow up parliment. yesterday would have been a good time to do it. 😡 😡 😡

[TF_piperpilot]

Lest not forget that it was Phony Tony and his mate George who instigated this War and thats the very same Phony Tony who is now coining it in and earning tens of millions in BLOOD MONEY. The vast majority of Afghans are lost in a time warp and have absolutely no interest whatsoever in changing their 2000 year old out of date lifestyle’s???. It’s a place where you can’t trust anyone because most are closit terrorists, Sadly the truth is that as ALWAYS the past present and no doubt the future so called leaders of this now near third world country will only be interested in feathering their own nests and licking the AR5E of their Euro & Yankie masters. ENGLAND is plenty big enough to stand on the world stage on her own and not be allied to people who in truth absolutely hate our guts, You just don’t know how it pains me seeing our boys coming back in body bags when our impotent and traitorous so called leaders swan around living it up at our expense and trying pathetically to out manoeuvre each other,

[TF_Gary the gudgeon]

Herbie, as usual your comments are spot on, we no longer trust our politicians, they merely look at their positions as a way to feather their own nest, it has always been this way but never so blatant we would be speaking german now,if we had listened to chamberlain the liberal minded idiots try to brand everyone a racist if they want to maintain the British way of life, so the enemy is within.

[TF_Dodge]

Spot on herbs , passionate as always mate …… 😉 😎

[TF_caster robParticipant]

Quite agree herbie.

The last labour government should never have got us involved in these pointless wars.

They should never have signed-up to human-rights legislation either, then we could have thrown the riff-raff out.

[TF_Dodge]

@caster rob wrote:

Quite agree herbie.

The last labour government should never have got us involved in these pointless wars.

And the Tories led by Thatcher with the Falklands war trying to save her political life ………

She failed unceromoniously aswell .

[TF_caster robParticipant]

Thatcher responded to an alien invasion of sovereign territory which is the responsibilty of the country’s Prime Minister.

Slightly different to invading a foreign nation based on a pack of lies and with no legal mandate.

[TF_feeder]

you are spot on herbie mate.it saddens me that this once great country has got itself into. 🙁

[TF_piperpilot]

Lets not forget that in the Falklands we also took down an evil fascist dictatorship where tens of thousands of people went missing!! and most were never seen again. Go to the Falklands where EVERYONE is proud of being BRITISH unlike in this country where almost EVERYONE is 5HIT scared of being even the slightest bit Patriotic. It’s a fact that EVERY blue red and yellow politician is corrupt and only in it for themselves,

[TF_MarkT]

@Dodge wrote:

@caster rob wrote:

Quite agree herbie.

The last labour government should never have got us involved in these pointless wars.

And the Tories led by Thatcher with the Falklands war trying to save her political life ………

She failed unceromoniously aswell .

How in the hell was the Falklands War a pointless? We were invaded by nation with a dictator who was actually trying to save his political career. The people there were either held against their will or evicted entirely, maybe she should of let them have it!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And wasn’t she re-elected in 1983…………

[TF_caster robParticipant]

@MarkT wrote:

@Dodge wrote:

@caster rob wrote:

Quite agree herbie.

The last labour government should never have got us involved in these pointless wars.

And the Tories led by Thatcher with the Falklands war trying to save her political life ………

She failed unceromoniously aswell .

How in the hell was the Falklands War a pointless? We were invaded by nation with a dictator who was actually trying to save his political career. The people there were either held against their will or evicted entirely, maybe she should of let them have it!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And wasn’t she re-elected in 1983…………

Just a mouth-foaming, Thatcher-hating, logic-free, leftie viewpoint.

[TF_Dodge]

Ah, evil dictators …….

Didnt Thatcher give refuge in Britain to a certain South American evil dictator (Pinochet) ?

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

She was a dictator herself.

[TF_MarkT]

@Dodge wrote:

Ah, evil dictators …….

Didnt Thatcher give refuge in Britain to a certain South American evil dictator (Pinochet) ?

So was the Falklands pointless? You seem to of ignored it and gone straight to the Maggie rhetoric.

[TF_Dodge]

@MarkT wrote:

@Dodge wrote:

Ah, evil dictators …….

Didnt Thatcher give refuge in Britain to a certain South American evil dictator (Pinochet) ?

So was the Falklands pointless? You seem to of ignored it and gone straight to the Maggie rhetoric.

The Falklands war saved Thatchers political life and she got re elected ! She also harboured Chilean dictator General Pinochet in a surrey mansion …….

http://www.remember-chile.org.uk/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/mar/26/pinochet.chile2

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/663303.stm

It was quite a big thing back then ! Problem ?

[TF_piperpilot]

But then she DIDN’T get tens or maybe even hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children murdered through blatant lies and deceit and all to play the big world leader statesman BULL5HIT. Phony scumbag and his backers have blood on their hands. HOW MANY DEAD IN IRAQ,

[TF_piperpilot]

Anyhow life’s too short to argue the toss about ancient history that no one gives a flying fcuk about. Get our lads out of Toiletganistan NOW,

[TF_Dodge]

@piperpilot wrote:

Anyhow life’s too short to argue the toss about ancient history that no one gives a flying fcuk about. Get our lads out of Toiletganistan NOW,

totaly agree pp 😉

All political leaders have “agendas” whether it is oil or sovereign rights or other …….

However history tells us all it is the brave armed forces and their families that always pay the highest price 😡 😡

[TF_piperpilot]

Dodge I agree with you 100%. I’m no sissy but it breaks my heart seeing those lads coming home in bodybags,

[TF_MarkT]

@Dodge wrote:

The Falklands war saved Thatchers political life and she got re elected ! She also harboured Chilean dictator General Pinochet in a surrey mansion …….

http://www.remember-chile.org.uk/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/mar/26/pinochet.chile2

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/663303.stm

It was quite a big thing back then ! Problem ?

Once again you’ve ignored the question i asked!

Pinochet never invaded a country in which we governed and threatened British citizens, so she had no choice to react as she did, It could of led to other problems if she didn’t.

If there’s one thing that Thatcher did right it was winning The Falklands back.

Iraq and Afghanistan will forever taint this country and that’s down to Labour.

I care PP as I’ve lost friends and family in both wars.

[TF_Dodge]

An emotive subject Mark ,

I hope your question was answered in my previous post 😎 😉

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