Guru QM1 Hooks

[TF_JonniTimms]

For quite a while now i have used the PR36 for hair rigging, but more and more see the QM1 being used.

I am just looking for peoples opinions on these unusual hooks.

Im a firm believer in if its not broke, dont fix it, and the 36 has never let me down, but i cant help but be interested in these hooks.

Surely the main downfall is the price? 3x more expensive than the pr36.

[andy85Participant]

spot on for feeder fishing, once there in they dont come out. dont worry about the price u will lose less fish meaning more money won when its tight in winter they will pay for themselves if u look at it like that, i only use the 16s thou personally although i know ppl use the 18s for single dead maggot on the method

[TF_staffie]

As said above great hooks especially for the method once in they dont come out~clap

[TF_Rhino]

hmmm, have to disagree. Myself and a couple of mates have suffered from some fish mysteriously just coming off on the retrieve. We suspect its when its in the fishes face and the sharply curved shape just nicks the fish.

Their fine in size 14 and 12 for big pellet / boilie but hacve gone onto MWG and PR36 for smaller baits…

[TF_carpmagicParticipant]

If you want to make every fish count then for me there is no better hook. And if i had to pick one size it would without doubt be a 16. Although i use the other sizes too the 16 for me has been outstanding as regards bite to fish ratio.

[MadScientist]

Was a bit sceptical at first of all the claims, but bought a pack and am completely sold on them for the feeder and method. Used to get a fair share of fish dropping off at places like boddingtons but now know that if its hooked in the mouth it stays on most of the time. They are tough as well – landed 500lb + over a couple of sessions on the same hook and its still as sharp as when it came out of the box. Yes they are more expensive but I have ultra confidence in them, and you can’t put a price on that.

[ruddy-chub]

Just one thing to add, just try tyeing one up on a 2 to 3 inch hair rig and how often the hook pricks your hand and fingers !!! then you will see why so many fish are hooked on Qm 1s

[TF_staffie]

@ruddy-chub wrote:

Just one thing to add, just try tyeing one up on a 2 to 3 inch hair rig and how often the hook pricks your hand and fingers !!! then you will see why so many fish are hooked on Qm 1s

Totally agree with you there Ruddy i was using one at the weekend and hooked myself a number of times lol ~clap

[TF_JonniTimms]

@ruddy-chub wrote:

Just one thing to add, just try tyeing one up on a 2 to 3 inch hair rig and how often the hook pricks your hand and fingers !!! then you will see why so many fish are hooked on Qm 1s

Just bought some and found that out, finding them pretty hard to tie with the offset gape too. They look and feel great though, can’t wait to use them.

[TF_craigo]

has anybody used em in an 18 much?

I bought some in an 18 to give em a go but on inspection the point looks too close to the shank (espec as its slightly in-swept) to get a good hook hold in first place

i can imagine that the fish stay on once hooked but how are they re connecting with more bites?

Cheers

[TF_budnuddParticipant]

That the point craig (forgive the pun)!!! They were based on the principle of how circle hooks work!

[TF_Team Rattler]

I had a lot of fish come off but found that shortening the hair length helped greatly. It seemed to be happening mainly with the smaller mouthed carpies like F1s and goldfish that pick single particles up rather than the hoovers. That was my slant on it anyway.

[TF_squatt]

I think they are a brilliant feeder hair rigging hook. I can honestly say I have never lost a fish while using them, never strike though as the fish should be on. Adam Rooney using 18’s with no problems

[MrFoxman]

Qm1’s= 10/10

[TF_craigo]

@budnudd wrote:

That the point craig (forgive the pun)!!! They were based on the principle of how circle hooks work!

Yeah mate but there’s no point less fish coming off if I’m connecting with less in the first place

So does the in-swept point (which is so close to the shank) hinder actual hook up at all?

Cheers

[andy85Participant]

@craigo wrote:

@budnudd wrote:

That the point craig (forgive the pun)!!! They were based on the principle of how circle hooks work!

Yeah mate but there’s no point less fish coming off if I’m connecting with less in the first place

So does the in-swept point (which is so close to the shank) hinder actual hook up at all?

Cheers

no it doesnt effect hook ups cause the point is offset to the shank so u wont get any less hook ups mate

[TF_LukeJames]

they are rubbish full stop.

[TF_carpmagicParticipant]

Ha,ha great constructive reply Luke.

[TF_SteveMay]

Quite simply, they are the best method feeder hook I’ve ever used, full stop.

[TF_welshmagic]

I was a bit sceptical at first and suffered a few fish losses early on which wasn’t great for my confidence in such a radical new pattern. However I knew that if so many top anglers were using them then there had to be some mileage in persisting. The first thing I addressed was the hair length. By shortening it when fishing the method so that the bait was almost touching the bend of the hook made a dramatic difference. I also switched from 12’s and 14’s to 16’s which virtually eliminated fish losses. It’s very very rare that I pleasure fish these days but back in the summer I got away early from work and went to give the QM1’s a final testing,in a size 16 and with a shorter hair. Well after that small session I was completely sold on them. I didn’t lose a single fish and even experimented by letting everything go slack for 30 seconds or so before tightening up to find that the fish was still on. With 120lb+ of fish in the net on a single hook I dragged the point across my thumb nail and it was still razor sharp.

For those of you that dismiss these hooks as a gimmick maybe you need to look at the way you actually use them (hair-length) and striking etc. So many top anglers can’t be wrong….

[TF_eels]

Awesome hooks, had some great results on them including 300lb+ on the staight lead at boddington. Use them for all my feeder and straight lead work now.

[meat master]

i have allways used pr36 and drennan carp fdr bls

i am not as good as allot of you guys on here and i use to loose fish and tried different ways of combating the problem and the most important thing i have found is the length of the hair i allways go for a short hair as possible.

secondly if i am loosing fish i will change my hook straight away.

another important factor i have found is to have a piece of silicon on the hook which i think makes the bait sit better off the hook.

i have used the qm1 hooks but havent found that they make that much difference but thats just my opinion.

mind you if Carpmagic says use them then use them lol.

[TF_craigo]

Q for those of you who like are using these successfully then….

Have you been using a piece of silicon tube on your hooks? – If so, has this made much difference?

Thanks

[TF_eels]

I believe what ever hook you use it’s important to use a piece of silicone on the hook. If you look at some of the top feeder anglers including the likes of Steve Ringer, Alex Bones and Mick Bull i think you’ll find them using it.It can definatley reduce hooklength spin ups and improve bait position.

[TF_Ryan]

what silicon do you use for the hook?

[TF_eels]

Not sure of the make i have been using, wasn’t 100% happy with it last time i tied some hooklengths as it wasn’t quite tight enough so i’ll be trying some stuff i got off Snooty Fox which looks spot on.

[TF_MarkT]

I use silicon all the time, any make will do. But one thing i always do is match the colour of the it to the colour of the hook.

[meat master]

i dont no the make either i use clear stuff not coloured and just make sure its tight on the hook

its no good if the silicon moves up and down.

[TF_matchpleasure]

Absolutely no need to use silicone tubing on the hook. You will find that by whipping the hair further up the hook towards the bend, it will look and behave just the same and the hair is even more secure to the bend of the hook rather that twisting around the shank as it can sometimes still do when silicone is added!

[TF_MarkT]

@matchpleasure wrote:

Absolutely no need to use silicone tubing on the hook. You will find that by whipping the hair further up the hook towards the bend, it will look and behave just the same and the hair is even more secure to the bend of the hook rather that twisting around the shank as it can sometimes still do when silicone is added!

I’ve never had it twist with silicone on the shank.

[TF_dendra]

Steve
Have you switched to the QM1,s for bream when hair rigging?I have only used them for big slabs at Kingsbury,on the method and conventional tail with no losses.

[TF_carpmagicParticipant]

To be honest i use the MWG’s for hair rigging for Bream. Have used the Qm’s for proper bream in the past with no problems, but just prefer the MWG’s.

[TF_dendra]

Cheers,I,ve not tried the MWG,s yet.

[TF_scarf]

I use QM1s for all my ledgered hair rigs and am very happy with them.
Can anyone recommend a similar offset point (if that’s the right description)hook that could be used for float fishing?

[TF_Gavin]

The old Preston PR22’s were pretty much the same shape but spade end, but they’re discontinued now. You may be able to find a shop somewhere with a pile of them laying about mind!

[TF_gloves007uk]

I have tried these hooks out must say i am not keen on them i have lost loads of fish when i gave um a go
think i will stick to the preston pr36 never seem to lose any fish when i am using these
each to their own ~think
maybe i havnt played around with them enough and just need to perfect the setup might give um another go in the new year when i get time ~think

[TF_scarf]

Thanks Gavin, I’ll try to find some.

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