HOW GOOD ARE THEY?…O/T.

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

~think ~think ~think Although many,including their own supporters,think this is not the best side Man.U have won the premiership with,are we about to see them beaten on their home soil.
I like many others cant stand certain players in their squad,but do believe they have some wonderfully gifted footballers.Ryan Giggs for example has been phenomenal this season and has been a loyal and brilliant player for his team for his entire career.If only he was English?.Sir Alex has his knockers also,but we all must bow to his success in making Man.U the Worldwide product which they undoubtably are.He is a great manager and will go into the history books along with the other greats.
As an Arsenal fan,i wanted Chelsea to beat United on Sunday,and go on to wrestle the title away from our great rivals,but i am afraid Sir Alex and his team just outsmarted them and thoroughly deserved their victory(the early goal didnt help though).
But here is the crux…..Can they beat the great Barcelona at Wembley?.I truly believe that United had an easy route to the final,but they have got there,and now we will see if they have got the nouse to beat,what imo is the greatest team i have ever seen in my lifetime…..I dont think they will,and i know that many of you feel the same….but will you be shouting them on?….WILL I?……NO…UNPATRIOTIC?….MAYBE….BUT I CAN HONESTLY SAY I WANT BARCA TO PLAY THEM OFF THE PARK AND MAKE OLD “RED NOSE” KICK HIS HAIRDRYER ALL THE WAY HOME TO BLOODY MANCHESTER.

JEALOUS,DISGRUNTLED GOONER?…DEFFINITELY..LOL……Have a nice day now. ~shh ~shh ~shh ~shh

[TF_spadger]

I think they can beat them Mick.
Barcelona have a system in which they play short passing incisive football and try to draw you out, they then play that wonderful slide rule pass and cut you apart, or knock it out wide and get in behind you..
This system can be beaten as Mourinho proved when Milan didn’t give them a kick.
Fergie will have done his home work and i fancy them for an upset.
Agree with you on one thing though, let them play and they are breathtaking to watch.
Best ever ? I’ll go for the Brazil 70’s side.

[TF_FBlues]

“Milan (Inter that is) didn’t give them a kick”. That was hardly like the way Bayern didn’t give ManU a kick in 1999 – I think Barca had 75%+ possession just didn’t score. Barca had 548 passes compared to Inter’s 67. That’s quite a few kicks.

Arsenal beat Barca at home and I am still 100% convinced they would have got a draw there without RVP’s sending off. They tire at 75 mins – anyone would at the pace they play.

I think Man U will win but not be the better team.

[TF_yiddo]

Who cares its a mickey mouse cup anyway haha
(tin hat already on)~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_drawbag1967]

Lol, COYS

[TF_redarmy]

i go to every home game and to be honest some of the displays this season have been painful to watch,i believe valencia coming back has added an extra threat in the last few months and he gave cole nightmares on sunday.the difference between this team and previous years is theres no out and out superstar and the team is more solid for that but at times lack a bit of flair.

[TF_spadger]

@FBlues wrote:

“Milan (Inter that is) didn’t give them a kick”. That was hardly like the way Bayern didn’t give ManU a kick in 1999 – I think Barca had 75%+ possession just didn’t score. Barca had 548 passes compared to Inter’s 67. That’s quite a few kicks.

Arsenal beat Barca at home and I am still 100% convinced they would have got a draw there without RVP’s sending off. They tire at 75 mins – anyone would at the pace they play.

I think Man U will win but not be the better team.

Maybe i phrased that wrong Kieth.
Barca in that game where very inaffective.
Milan stiffled them and did a proper job on them, i know they had plenty of the ball but they did nothing with it.
That’s what i was trying to get across.

[TF_shep2]

ashley cole has been spotted in halfords today trying to buy a map of spain…….he still hasnt a clue where valencia is ~sick

[TF_FBlues]

Sporting Gijon did a similar job (to Inter) on Barca and actually beat Real doing the same thing. The trouble is almost every team in the Prem plays like it against the big clubs, which is why man U and Chelsea, as well as Arsenal, have looked less than effective in many games. Man U’s ability to not lose made the difference. Watching Man City tonight, what a cup final it’s going to be on Saturday, neither team being likely to cross the halfway line very much. Apparently City had 4 attempts on target. I missed the first 15 minutes so they must have been in that. I never saw them have a shot.

[TF_Dodge]

@FBlues wrote:

Sporting Gijon did a similar job (to Inter) on Barca and actually beat Real doing the same thing. The trouble is almost every team in the Prem plays like it against the big clubs, which is why man U and Chelsea, as well as Arsenal, have looked less than effective in many games. Man U’s ability to not lose made the difference. Watching Man City tonight, what a cup final it’s going to be on Saturday, neither team being likely to cross the halfway line very much. Apparently City had 4 attempts on target. I missed the first 15 minutes so they must have been in that. I never saw them have a shot.

Yeah the Arse used to be able to keep clean sheets and win 1-0 way back when they were good !

Here,s a bang tidy tune for you to enjoy keith …. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAPtTS0TYtU

[TF_FBlues]

Not really interested Dodge. I think the fans have voted with their feet though: your biggest game of the year and nowhere near full. Managed two clean sheets against City though…hardly surprising.

[TF_Dodge]

47,300 only 400 short of capacity @ Eastlands tonight. Tell Arsene to get £50 million spent on a new back four and a decent keeper ! 1 nil to the City LOL

~clap ~clap

[TF_herbie]

bookie you devious git. envy is hard to bare and clouds your judgement. everyone is saying united have not performed as well as in previous years. has anyone ever thought the other teams have improved tactics wise. there are no easy games this season, mid table clubs have improved no end. take west brom , normaly up and down, this season they,ve suprised people much like blackpool have by being more adventurous. whereas before they would go to chelski and lie down , now they believe they can compete. arsenal have been found out and teams have worked a system of playing against them which works maybe 33% of the time , but that is enough to knock them back from the top. thats where taggert has surpassed even himself by using his squad and battling out results. its difficult to plan against united because you,ve no idea who,s playing. not always pretty but effective over 38 games. city on the other hand have no idea what there best team is and next season they will fork out millions on so called superstars they dont need, what they need is a consistant team week in week out and a game plan. all this is irrelavent as the trophy has already been awarded to liverpool 2011/2012 season and will according to the scouse lead/dominated media be presented in february.

[TF_april9092Participant]

Where is gary the gudgeon he usually has some words to say.

[TF_yiddo]

400 short of capacity??????
the stand behind 1 of the goals had loads of empty seats and all round the ground there were spare seats unless the fans all went in fancy dress as blue plastic seats~clap ~clap
the biggest game in your history and you cant even fill the stadium

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

Herbie…..Of course you are right in your post about the “New Tactics” the teams now play against Man.U,Chelsea,and particuarly Arsenal.We all know(Asrenal fans)the reasons behind our dissapointing season.
But are you telling me that if BARCELONA were in the Premiership,teams like West Brom,Wigan and bloody Stoke would turn them over.Please dont even go there.If that could happen what does that tell us all about the future of our game.

P.S..If Thomas Vermaelen had been available at any time our season would have been better.I know all teams have their injury proplems,but the loss of Thomas was a massive body blow.
ARSENALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

Yeah the Arse used to be able to keep clean sheets and win 1-0 way back when they were good !

Here,s a bang tidy tune for you to enjoy keith …. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAPtTS0TYtU

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Brilliant Dodge…..Where were Oasis from?..Were they all Man.United fans?…lol.~think ~think ~think ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

@yiddo wrote:

400 short of capacity??????
the stand behind 1 of the goals had loads of empty seats and all round the ground there were spare seats unless the fans all went in fancy dress as blue plastic seats~clap ~clap
the biggest game in your history and you cant even fill the stadium

How did you get on yiddo?…..Your wheels have truly come off mate(like ours).I was talking to pals of mine tother day,who are fanatical Spurs supporters,and they are very fearful for next season.They felt your season was wasted,and your Board missed a massive oppurtunity to take your club to the next level.Without Champions League involvement you will lose your best players,and maybe Harry too.Next season could see you where you are used to…..Bottom half or worse…CHIN UP.~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap .

[TF_yiddo]

Ey up Mick how are you matey? Yea i think the spurs board made a massive mistake in january it was plain to see that we needed a top striker because defoe,crouchy and pav were not scoring the goals that they did last season. As for next season i’m not sure that we will lose any of our top players i think harry will have a clearout of the fringe players and hopefully the board will give harry the funds to bring in the players we need, BUT if we fail to get into europe next season we will lose bale,modric,vdv etc.

The trouble we have had this season is dropping too many points against the lesser teams we have took 1pt off blackpool,wigan and west ham 3 teams that will more than likely get relegated but at least we took 4 of your lot haha
roll on next season

[TF_lloydy1970]

Some spurs fans apparently want Harry out because he’s taken them as far as he can lol, charlton – curbishley comes to mind

[TF_drawbag1967]

The mistake Redknapp made was thinking he could win the CL maybe because he’s in the twilight of his managerial career. If you’d asked most fans what they would have wished for this season it would have been top 4 again and to get out of the CL Group stage which we did but then he was daft enough to think he could win it and rested players in favour of the CL. Should have bought Saurez in Jan and I think the Van Der Vart signing overall has had a negative effect.

COYS

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

@drawbag1967 wrote:

The mistake Redknapp made was thinking he could win the CL maybe because he’s in the twilight of his managerial career. If you’d asked most fans what they would have wished for this season it would have been top 4 again and to get out of the CL Group stage which we did but then he was daft enough to think he could win it and rested players in favour of the CL. Should have bought Saurez in Jan and I think the Van Der Vart signing overall has had a negative effect.

COYS

Good shout LUCA…….To change your name by depol to Luca Modric means you are a real Tottenham supporter….Fair play to you mate…From Robin Van Persie.lol.~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_drawbag1967]

Lol

[TF_herbie]

bookie you old tart. i never mentioned barca. they are by a street the worlds best team and also the best paid. but a cold night in the rain at stoke or bolton is not quite as easy as a warm night at valencia. they would struggle because we have players like vidic/terry/scholes biting your legs and english refs bottling decisions on a regular basis especialy at chelski/liverpool. they are the F/A darlings and can do no wrong even when it comes to shooting people, and putting wingers out for a month. there players can handle the ball whenever they want to makes no difference, send one of there players off~naughty never happens~sick

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

@herbie wrote:

bookie you old tart. i never mentioned barca. they are by a street the worlds best team and also the best paid. but a cold night in the rain at stoke or bolton is not quite as easy as a warm night at valencia. they would struggle because we have players like vidic/terry/scholes biting your legs and english refs bottling decisions on a regular basis especialy at chelski/liverpool. they are the F/A darlings and can do no wrong even when it comes to shooting people, and putting wingers out for a month. there players can handle the ball whenever they want to makes no difference, send one of there players off~naughty never happens~sick

Herbie…Are you really trying to tell me that Man.U are victims of our Refs bad desicions…Jesus..they get every bit of help if and when they need it.Old Fergie has been dictating the terms games are played for years.And for the life of me i cant believe his watch is on time when his team are winning,but 10 mins. slow when they are losing.
WHAT TEAM DO YOU SUPPORT ANYWAY?..LOL.~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_Dodge]

Good thread fellas ~clap ~clap ~clap

People have their own ideas about this years premier league with differing opinions ….for me one thing is certain ….. it has become much more competetive resulting in the league becoming much closer , no team has been able to dominate like in the past which can only be a good thing surely ? Man Utd are still dominant at Old Trafford but have poor form away from home , i am sure many managers will try to exploit this next season plus Utd are going to lose probably the best keeper in the prem in Van der Sar , plus Scholes (deffo retiring) massive summer in the transfer market for United coming up , it will shape their future for sure imho , the glazers deffo have to come up with some serious transfer wedge !
As for Barca in th CL final Utd can absolutley win it …. dont ever think anything is beyond Sir Alex ! he is the master for sure love him or hate him ! He will also be aware of what happened to Chelsea a couple of seasons ago when they played Barca in the CL semi final @ stamford bridge ….. Chelsea were denied at least 4 clear cut penalties that defied belief ….. the ref that night has never been seen again !~think ~think thats what you are up against when you play UEFA,s darlings BARCELONA !

[TF_herbie]

SMOKE AND MIRRORS~naughty ~naughty ~naughty

MAKES YOU WONDER BOOKIE.

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plekhanov13-01-2011, 19:22
Saw this analysis on United Penalties & Red Cards on Redcade (http://www.redcafe.net/f6/manchester-united-referees-318413/) and in view of some of the hysterical whining here following the United Liverpool game thought it might make for some informative reading:

After the Berbatov penalty decision against Liverpool at the weekend, there was a thread in the newbies asking if we got the rub of the green off referees. A fair few United supporters actually agreed that we did, along with almost every opposition poster. An Arsenal fan was particularly vociferous in his claims, saying that we had been awarded a ridiculous amount of decisions this year. I decided to do a little research on United versus Arsenal this season in terms of penalty decisions and opponents being sent off this season.

Arsenal have been awarded 11 penalties, and have had 7 of their opponents sent off in 31 competitive games.

United have been awarded 5 penalties, and have had 3 of their opponents sent off in 30 competitive games.

Arsenal’s 8 penalties:

1. Walcott v Leeds:
Walcott goes into the area and falls after a slight tug from the defender. This minutes after he dived and the ref awarded a penalty only to reverse it for an offside which he believed had occurred after but had actually occurred before. Arsenal score a last-minute equaliser to take them to a replay and avoid an embarrassing loss.
Verdict: Just about a pen.

2. Van Persie v Partizan:
Van Persie theatrically tumbles after the defender gets a touch on the ball. Arsenal score the opener in a crucial game.
Verdict: No pen. 1 incorrect decision.

3. Djourou v Shaktar:
Djourou leans into the defender and falls over. Pen given and scored.
Verdict: No pen. 2 incorrect decisions.

4. Fabregas v Man City:
Fouled just inside the box.
Verdict: Pen.

5. Chamakh v Birmingham:
Chamakh belly-flops after little or no contact. Birmingham players are incensed to a man and surround the referee and chase Chamakh. Pen given and scored and Arsenal come from 1-0 down to win 2-1.
Verdict: No pen. 3 incorrect decisions.

6. Chamakh v Partizan:
Doesn’t seem to have been much questions by all accounts, I couldn’t find a video.
Verdict: Probably a pen.

7. Nasri v Tottenham:
Nasri tumbles after the slightest touch/tug from Bassong. Harry Redknapp after the game accuses Nasri of diving. Pen given and scored, Arsenal lead 2-1, and then…
Verdict: No pen: 4 incorrect decisions.

8. Chamakh v Tottenham:
This time there is a more definite tug, although Chamakh goes down easily.
Verdict: Pen. Just.

9. Nasri v Sunderland:
Clipped.
Verdict: Pen.

10. Chamakh v Braga:
The keeper commits himself, and Chamakh pokes the ball past him and collapses with no contact. It could be argued that the keeper impeded him, although he could have gone past him and chose instead to dive with no contact.
Verdict: No pen. 5 incorrect decisions.

11. Chamakh v Blackpool:
Chamakh is fouled by Ian Evett, but the foul is clearly outside the area. The referee gives a penalty regardless.
Verdict: No pen. 6 incorrect decisions.

Arsenal’s Opponents’ 6 Red Cards:

1. Zabaleta:
Zabaleta does nothing but get headbutted by Sagna and stand his ground, but he gets sent off anyway.
Verdict: No red card. 7 incorrect decisions.

2. N’Zogbia:
Stupidly leant head into Wilshire and sent off.
Verdict: Red card.

3. Boyata:
Last man, had to go.
Verdict: Red card.

4. Jovanovic:
Ditto. ^^
Verdict: Red card.

5. Cahill:
Ridiculous decision. Foul just about worthy of a yellow, but Cahill saw red.
Verdict: No red card. 8

[TF_FBlues]

The above is opinions; referees give decisions based on their opinions of what has happened. Watching on TV is very different. I remember Djiouf being sent off in his Blackburn days, against Boro I think. It was OBVIOUS he dived on telly and to the ref – except from one angle when Schwarzer DEFINITELY got his trailing leg. When I had it re-run at Sky, guess what: he did NOT dive. I’ll even go back to the 1971 FA Cup Final when Eddie Kelly was given Arsenal’s first goal. From every angle Graham never touched it – except I was there, in line, and he diverted it in when it would have rolled wide.

[TF_proper tidal boy]

looks like all you glory boys need to buy some new mirrors as most of yours are well old and badly tarnished in need of renewal with youth as your main agent for the future???? so come on who kidding who. long live grass roots cameras and wingeing managers

[TF_herbie]

basement clubs salt of the earth brian ( aldershot fc) especialy~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_herbie]

what cant speak cant lie keith. arsenal are the preferd club for refs.lol

Arsenal have been awarded 11 penalties, and have had 7 of their opponents sent off in 31 competitive games.

United have been awarded 5 penalties, and have had 3 of their opponents sent off in 30 competitive games.

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

Herbie…..My dear old friend…I bow in respect of your hard work and diligance in finding your statistics and data.But i suspect after all that you are still bias.
Fair play to you mate,keep chewing the cud and by that you will keep us on our toes.
Brilliant post you Mancunian old git.~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_lloydy1970]

Refs admit its hard to give pens against the top clubs at home, why? Refs are professionals paid to be impartial and apply the letter of the law. In my opinion its a disgrace the way big clubs are favoured.

[TF_lloydy1970]

Rules of football have now gone mad, you can’t breath on a player outside box but most corners are more like a Scrum and the handball rule is just ridiculous, I think its made up as they go along, how was lampards not handball when his arm is pointing to the sky when a cross comes in. How long before tackles are banned, the playerrs are so fast these days that a tackle that’s a hundredths of a second late looks liike common assault when the camera’s have slowed it down. I used to love football but the commercialization and outrageous wagess payed to playeers who couldn’t give a toss about your club has ruined it for me. I’m trying to work out if sky was the best or worst thing that ever happened to football.

[TF_herbie]

your quite correct the top clubs , united being the exception do get all the breaks. but then again to get to the top you have to spend more time attacking ( man city not included)so therefor must by the law of averages get more penalties. united got less penalties than west ham ~think which team, (west ham or united) would you have thought would have the most penalties~think. like i said SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

on your other point re tackles. i was amazed at the stats in one paper re the united/chelski game. according to them neither ferdinand or o’shay made a single tackle, how can that be~think

[TF_caster robParticipant]

“how can that be”

Murdoch’s fault at a guess.

I’m led to believe his journals specialise in lies and spin.

[TF_herbie]

LOL ROB. i blame murdoch for everything even for my missing screwdriver. spect he took it to give to cameron as another sweetner

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

@MICK THE BOOKIE wrote:

~think ~think ~think Although many,including their own supporters,think this is not the best side Man.U have won the premiership with,are we about to see them beaten on their home soil.
I like many others cant stand certain players in their squad,but do believe they have some wonderfully gifted footballers.Ryan Giggs for example has been phenomenal this season(IN AND OUT OF BED) and has been a loyal and brilliant player for his team for his entire career.If only he was English?.Sir Alex has his knockers also,but we all must bow to his success in making Man.U the Worldwide product which they undoubtably are.He is a great manager and will go into the history books along with the other greats.
As an Arsenal fan,i wanted Chelsea to beat United on Sunday,and go on to wrestle the title away from our great rivals,but i am afraid Sir Alex and his team just outsmarted them and thoroughly deserved their victory(the early goal didnt help though).
But here is the crux…..Can they beat the great Barcelona at Wembley?.I truly believe that United had an easy route to the final,but they have got there,and now we will see if they have got the nouse to beat,what imo is the greatest team i have ever seen in my lifetime…..I dont think they will,and i know that many of you feel the same….but will you be shouting them on?….WILL I?……NO…UNPATRIOTIC?….MAYBE….BUT I CAN HONESTLY SAY I WANT BARCA TO PLAY THEM OFF THE PARK AND MAKE OLD “RED NOSE” KICK HIS HAIRDRYER ALL THE WAY HOME TO BLOODY MANCHESTER.

JEALOUS,DISGRUNTLED GOONER?…DEFFINITELY..LOL……Have a nice day now. ~shh ~shh ~shh ~shh

Without doubt the best team i have ever seen in my lifetime.Perfection……Messi only 23….The mind boggles….If this young man stays injury free just how good can he get? ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_piperpilot]

I love the argies as they burn well. 1982 4-0 the glory days,

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