Is mugging legal ?

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- 08/05/2011 at 7:55 pm #46446
  TF_Smeagle
  I had a club match yesterday on the Jam Factory fishery, Worcester.
  On our club sheet it says for this venue.. No surface baits.
  The lad who won, won it by singling out surface carp by dangling his standard shallow float rig so the bait is dropped on or near the fish’s mouth. The fella in the next peg fishing shallow (about a foot deep) threw a wobbler at the end of the match when he found he’d been beat by the mugger.
  Today we’ve all had e mails off our club secretary saying that mugging is now banned on venues that ban surface baits. The fella who won was using sinking maggots.
  Your thoughts on this new ruling by our secretary please.
- 08/05/2011 at 8:03 pm #140219
  TF_carpmagic
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  Holding the bait on the surface or just below is what i always call dapping. Mugging is flicking a rig set shallow in front of a crusing carp.
- 08/05/2011 at 8:12 pm #140222
  TF_Smeagle
  Thanks for differentiating that Steve. The question remains the same, do you think banning those actions of the winner is the right thing to do in future? I have mixed opinions at this time.
- 08/05/2011 at 8:15 pm #140224
  TF_carpmagic
  Participant
  I think the key part of the rule should be that the float has to be in the water, from what you originally posted im not sure whether this was the case concerning the winner of your match.
- 08/05/2011 at 8:24 pm #140225
  TF_Smeagle
  Thanks….. No, the float was above the water with just the bait dangling in the surface layer(s).
- 08/05/2011 at 8:37 pm #140226
  TF_Leaky Lloyd
  i agree with rob (lump)
  cant see the problem, as long as it wasnt held still on the surface and not broke the surface tention,, it aint classed as floating !!!
- 08/05/2011 at 8:50 pm #140228
  TF_carpmagic
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  I can see a problem with dapping as its difficult to see if the hookbait is on the surface or just under. Hence my suggestion would be that the float has to be in the water. Lifting and dropping is totally different since you dont hold the bait there waiting for a fish to grab it.
- 08/05/2011 at 9:06 pm #140234
  TF_Bear361
  Participant
  A bit strange because what you described happened in our club and at the same fishery on Old Pool! In our club you are not allowed to dap on purpose, personally I can`t see the the problem with it, unless it is the rule that the float has to be actually in the water?
- 08/05/2011 at 9:53 pm #140243
  TF_squatt
  You commy boys crack me up. In house fighting, rules, bait bans, acting like sheep. You deserve all you get. The most artifical form of fishing there is, now I will step back and hopefully debate.
- 08/05/2011 at 10:17 pm #140245
  TF_squatt
  Ironically dappling/dapping is akin to fluff chucking, probably as good as it gets. If something wins lets ban it, lets put a rope down the middle to stop someone casting too far. On the ‘ Dark Side’ your fate is sealed, what has happened to trust/gentleman’s agreement. By the way I’m 42 not a bloke harking back to the the good old days.
- 09/05/2011 at 7:35 am #140256
  TF_Cutnut
  @squatt wrote:
  
  Ironically dappling/dapping is akin to fluff chucking, probably as good as it gets. If something wins lets ban it, lets put a rope down the middle to stop someone casting too far. On the ‘ Dark Side’ your fate is sealed, what has happened to trust/gentleman’s agreement. By the way I’m 42 not a bloke harking back to the the good old days.
  
  SO why didn’t the Fisho Anglers at Viaduct moan about J Arthur Mugger, was it because his float hit the water?
  
  You want to be like Nigel from Barston and have no rules ….. yeah right. AT match rules, two nets, Barbless hooks, no Braid…
  
  Squatt’s right, the commi scene in match angling has blown catching fish down the wrong end of sportsmanship.
  
  What’s wrong with it? The guy sussed the best way to catch more fish than someone else which is the point of the match.
  
  I would hazard that the no surface baits rule on the fishery actually relates to piles of bread or biscuits. Which encourages Ducks and other waterfowel to plague any angler seen feeding his swim, and subsequent hookups. Also the floating baits drifting across into other swims can ruin your day especially if you were catching on them, and the fish move off to join the bait!!!
- 09/05/2011 at 11:35 am #140276
  TF_JohnH
  I dont see the problem either, if this guy worked out that he caught by holding his sinking bait 3 inch under the surface he has not broken any rules, the guy fishing a foot deep was clearly too deep.
  By using a polly ball float he could easily fish the same method 2 inch deep if he wanted and he was not breaking any rules.
  As for banning mugging, good luck trying to proove it.
  If this guy had been dapping by holding his bait ON the surface he would have been breaking the rules IMO if they state no surface baits.
  I recall in fisho final a few years back at Hayfield a number of fish were mugged with sinking baits and no one complained as its not against the rules.
- 09/05/2011 at 12:08 pm #140279
  allflyz
  Participant
  The rule at this venue states no floating baits
  a floating bait was not used should that not be the end of the argument?
  
  The rule does not say no surface bait no surface fishing no bait to touch the surface no surface twitching no dangling bait on the surface the word surface is not used?
- 09/05/2011 at 12:47 pm #140281
  TF_JohnH
  I think you are on dangerous ground there, a bait held on the surface by dapping I consider to be not allowed if the rules state no floating baits.
  You are simply floating a sinking bait.
- 09/05/2011 at 2:49 pm #140288
  allflyz
  Participant
  i think the point is being missed
  
  rules are in place for a reason most of them are for fish welfare no barbed hooks for example
  
  no floating baits?
  
  how has the rule been broken? the reason this rule has been put there in first place the purpose of this rule?
- 09/05/2011 at 3:21 pm #140289
  TF_JohnH
  Smeagles original post said no surface baits, a sinking bait held on the surface is not allowed IMO. 2 inches deep is ok with a sinking bait.
  Thats my interpretation but the more rules you make often means you create a rod for your own back!!!
  A local fishery has the rule that baits must clearly be sub surface, this sounds a sensible way out. On our fishery we simply ban the feeding of floating baits but you can use them on the hook.
- 09/05/2011 at 3:32 pm #140290
  Nez
  Sounds like the sec has no bottle or that the guy who won is jealous or maybee the sec is up his gary glitter for some reason.
  
  “Mugging”? What a load of magumba. Whats the difference between catching at 6inch, a foot, 2 ft or 20ft in mid water. Whos ever had a bite from a roach or a carp when lowering a rig into the water.
  
  Fluffery, they see a fish and cast towards it on occasion and that is supposed to be pureist.
  
  Whats the difference in casting to a fish you can see or casting (shipping) to an area where you know they live but cant see them.
  
  All this commi/natural/it must be cheating cos it new rubbish gets on my bazookas.
  
  Stupid topic.
- 09/05/2011 at 4:06 pm #140293
  TF_Chris-turner
  Participant
  I can’t see how it’s a floating bait there is no way he could have held it steady enough for it not to sink at some point, floating bait in my opinion is 1 that is constantly on the top.
- 09/05/2011 at 4:25 pm #140294
  TF_NW Cut Angler
  I think the floating bait rule should actually relate to feeding floating baits. Baiting with a floating bait should IMO be allowed. I hope it is as I often use a floating caster on the hook.
  
  Feeding floating baits is the real issue not a single hookbait. Fairplay to the angler IMO.
- 10/05/2011 at 9:18 pm #140415
  Pola Bear
  sounds to me the guy who got beat was a bit of a bad loser i have fished like this in matches there is no floating bait on your hook fair play…
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