KJS the cost of not breaking ice,,, heartbreaking !

[TF_Leaky Lloyd]

Well fella’s there have been quite a few discusions of weather breaking the ice is good or bad for fish,, after seeing these images from kjs fisheries in killamarsh sheffield, i think the results are quite conclusive,,
i know what id rather do, this owner has made no attemp to break the ice and as a consequence it looks like he’s wiped quite a few fish out,,,
and i for one think its a disturbing image of things to come,
if you own a fishery and you have machinery to clear breather holes,, for pitty’s sake, please do it!!!
these images are heartbreaking!
not a good advert for our sport at all !

[TF_proper tidal boy]

good shout

[TF_kev34]

Been fishing since i was 5 and its heartbreaking to see images of dead fish due to owners mishandling there lakes……..

When a dog or any animal is abused then they are prosecuted or banned from having animals again and i think Fishery owners who abuse there fish stocks should be reported as well….
~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty

[TF_Nigel.]

Thanks for posting these LL.
I have said it on here so many times, that
you must break the ice.
I was the chairman of the Professional
Coarse Fisheries Association
last year, and i did a press
release after a week of the
ice last year, to try and
inform every fishery and
angler that you must break
the ice. And still over a
year later the advise is being
ignored, these pictures are
proof of that.
The ice is OK for a week or
so, but after that it needs
breaking regularly,
i have done mine every other
day for the last 6 weeks now.
It only takes me an hour,
fortunately i have a JCB
so it makes it easy, but
i have 8 ponds to break,
nd i do it religiously.
Its like putting cling film
over your goldfish bowl, the
water will suffocate, keeping
fish is about keeping water!
What a shame, there will be
others too. There will be
lots of club pools and farm
pools that have been ignored
over the winter, i am afraid
they will have the same fate!

[TF_Nigel.]

I tried to make it narrow
so it was readable, as the
thread goes wide when you
add pictures.

[TF_toplights]

Well said Nigel,keep hammering away mate.Lets hope the AMATEUR fishery keepers take note,but i dont realy think they will.In my experience of them, they will just overstock again,and batter the fish, after they have been in a couple of weeks.Some owners have no idea about rotation ect, of their lakes and some suffer the concequenses of ultimately loosing there livlyhood,a bad thing for the anglers in the short term but better for the fish and fishery in the long term.

[TF_Nigel.]

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[TF_Nigel.]

Sorry, need to get to page 2
this is too wide.

[TF_Nigel.]

and its annoying me!

[TF_Nigel.]

as i cant read the text!

[TF_Nigel.]

Keep trying

[TF_Nigel.]

~think

[TF_Nigel.]

any help?

[TF_Nigel.]

cant be far off

[TF_toplights]

With a bit of help Nigel,the OP will amend his photos,soon. ~clap ~clap

[TF_Nigel.]

~clap

[TF_Nigel.]

unusual but interesting!

[TF_Nigel.]

I have to wait 30 seconds!

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between posts!

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one more!~naughty

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i give up

[TF_Nigel.]

~clap it worked~clap

[area39Participant]

Hi Lloyd

Heartbreaking stuff…..good old KJS!~sick

I’m up at Aston this Thurs (at last!) thinking of taking some B&J what’s the deal/methods up there at the moment (apart from just get a bite!!)

I may be entering the opens soon too!

Jon

[Anonymous]

Its not the only venue to have had big numbers of fish losses this winter. Green bank park lake in Liverpool has lost lots of fish. You would think after losing most of the fish from Walton park lake last year. That they would have learnt the lesson. Both lakes are council run and give free fishing. Not that there are many fish left in those 2 lakes now!

[TF_pr@ngler]

Stopped going to KJS about five years ago after a couple of unpleasant days there

Took my son and was shocked to see hundreds of fish just hanging beneath the surface. They were so dopey I scooped a perch out of the water by hand. Eventually the owner called the fire brigade who hosed the water to re-oxygenate it. I assumed this had something to do with stocking density and not enough effort to oxygenate the water.

Last time i was there there was a thick dark scum on the water. I had to keep cleaning the float bristle as it was getting so stained I couldn’t see it.

These places would go out of business if we didn’t use them. Its a commercial fishery, so let the market have its day.

[TF_orexina]

Hi Nigel, its a sad site in deed. We have at least 2 fisheries down here (Swindon area) that have lost fish. One club lake……lost at least 400 carp…. don’t like you breaking the ice as its supposed to shock the fish!!!!!

The other…..don’t know how many dead but a lot…..can’t be bothered to break the ice even though he also has a JCB.

Keep the message going.

cheeers

fred

[TF_bigoldbigbuttParticipant]

Just hope our club lake is ok, been frozen over since end of november. Committee issued a “no breaking ice ” rule after last winter, same shite reason ” the shock of the breaker will harm the fish”.
rather take that chance and let the air in and gases out.

[TF_Leaky Lloyd]

sorry fella’s i tried to shrink the photo’s
last night through photobucket but obviously it failed
ill try again later,, more burst pipes beckon!!!!
~sick ~sick ~sick

[TF_Leaky Lloyd]

sussed it,, !

[TF_Nigel.]

I break mine with a JCB, i did attach a chain and old wheel to try and break right across for a match.
http://www.matchfishing-scene.co.uk/showthread.php?t=10647

Vidio there too, cheers to snooty.

[TF_Leaky Lloyd]

@area39 wrote:

Hi Lloyd

Heartbreaking stuff…..good old KJS!~sick

I’m up at Aston this Thurs (at last!) thinking of taking some B&J what’s the deal/methods up there at the moment (apart from just get a bite!!)

I may be entering the opens soon too!

Jon

hiya jon, yeah mate,,gut wrenching images them arent they!!!
id be devistated if i owned it mate but then again i think id have tried to clear breather holes
regaurding aston matey, i aint actually fished it since october for various reasons but i try to keep my finger on the pulse with weigh ins!
B&J has been workin mate, but it seems to work better when only a few are using it,
now weathers warming slightly and the ice is melting, flouro pinkie and big mag have been workin quite well, similar weights to the b&j lads but fewer fish needed,,!
its still really hard going though pal,,,
graft needed for a framing weight,from all area’s
!

[TF_dave smiff]

the warren pool at meadowlands is completly frozen over still, must have been like that for at least a month now. big lake is free of ice down the middle, i believe that the owners dont allow ice breaking!!

[TF_fourcanals]

sad sad day as said re the sight at KJS of fish losses.I was due to renew my yearly permit but i think i will have a crack at aston springs as Alex seems to have an overall more concerned attitude to fish stocks

[TF_markco]

We have boke the ice on our club pool over the past 5-6 weeks and have also had a pump running to keep some of the water free, I cannot understand clubs having rules to stop people breaking the ice surely it is better to loose a few fish from shock that all of the fish due to being stupid ~naughty ~naughty.
We broke the all last year and only lost a handfull of fish and other waters that didn’t break the ice a few miles away lost loads, Our club is only small and if we lost our fish we don’t have the money to replace them and you would set the fishery back years and probabaly loose members as well.

[Anonymous]

@lump wrote:

gutted mate, losing any fish that could have been avoided is sad, but the pond (is it the first one?) is/was quite overstocked in my opinion. Any news on the other shallow waters on the same complex? am i right in thinking fish in deeper waters fare better under ice?

that is probably not an overstocking problem but it sounds like a water quality problem, all lakes emitt poisioneous gasses but shallow ones with a lot of silt are a ticking timebomb when ice covers the surface.

Is the lake your talking about shallow?? and do you know if it’s ever been scraped and fertilized??

[TF_Nigel.]

I have been keeping fish for 20 years now, and have also been in plenty of meetings with the likes of Bruno Broughton, the most respected fish expert in the country.

I posted the info on the dangers on here last year, on not breaking ice, and on the other sites, as well as doing a press release to let every fishery in the county know, if they wish to ignore free advice then its there choice.

I though i had told everyone to do it, but i have just got back from my uncles, and he has lost his 5 biggest KOI this week! (natural pond not a filtered pond) Dam, i wish i had told him too!

[TF_toplights]

Well played Lloid.~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[Corndawg moderatorParticipant]

Sorry sight indeed……

If breaking ice is alledged to shock the fishg, why is it then that whe nyou break ice on a canal or commercial fishery, you can still catch fish?….

I might be out of date on todays match fashions, but I thought sound actually encouraged fish to wander over to feed, hence spraying pellets, etc…

Dragging a block through ice might not sound the same, but any noise is sure to cause fish to be inquisitive….

[two shakes]

I keep hearing these comments about some fishery owners banning ice breaking because it can “shock” fish ? Seems strange then that i fish canal matches in mid winter,where sometimes as many as 80 plus anglers pegged 20-25 metres apart are breaking the ice,and i have never seen a single dead or dying fish because of this.In fact,on most occasions fish will begin topping and feeding within 10 minutes of the ice being broken,and weights can sometimes far exceed those matches fished on the same pegs during ice free conditions.

[TF_duzabit]

one of my local waters’ Norwood, always seems to fish well after ice breaking, if theres a few fishing and the fish can’t hide, even seen tonne’weights.

Duz

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