Krilled Maggots Trial in Bronze

[TF_Fishingbaits]

Just nipped back for a fresh brew…had a fantastic morning with the Bronze Krilled Maggots we made. I’ve now put them on our site for sale.

White and red Krilled Maggots have proved to do well with Bream and Carp, but with the Bronze, early this morning when mixed with Marukyu EFG131 Groundbait as loose feed, I’ve had loads of decent sized roach.

I’m off out again now to try some other ideas. Will let you know

🙂

[TF_Fred Davis]

Don’t bother I have fished next to mates using krilled maggots and there sh*te needless to say it made no difference to the sound beating they got, when will anglers realise there are no magic baits as for the 10 mm new pellets they work as well as the smaller ones which also don,t work trust in dynamite, ringers and other fishmeal based products fcuk the seaweed substitutes

[TF_Dodge]

@Fred Davis wrote:

Don’t bother I have fished next to mates using krilled maggots and there sh*te needless to say it made no difference to the sound beating they got, when will anglers realise there are no magic baits as for the 10 mm new pellets they work as well as the smaller ones which also don,t work trust in dynamite, ringers and other fishmeal based products fcuk the seaweed sunstitutes

LOL CLASSIC ! 😀 😀 😀

[TF_toplights]

You and me both Fred,they catch more anglers than fish. 😀

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

You’d get your ears chewed off on that other site for saying that…..lol

[TF_Gavin]

Quality, pure and simple! 😀

[TF_Fishingbaits]

Sorry to tell you guys but they’ve done the same this morning. Roach again on bronze Krilled maggots.

No one said they were a wonder bait I said the roach were going for them in Bronze, which I hadn’t tried before.

Maybe you need some practise to get the fish biting!

As for JPz’s they’re a hook bait and therefore only work if you’re getting the fish to your swim. No one claims they are a wonder bait either, but if you’re blanking with JPz I can only recommend reading up on them. The research into these things is more than anything else on the Market. The key ingredient which stimulates a fish’s brain to feed was first discovered 19 years ago as a liquid form. And then took 19 years before they could make it solid without it losing it’s key attractant. Nothing else on the Market comes close…but you can only get the best out of it if you understand it.

You’d be surprised at how many of the UK’s top match anglers use them (even when they’re sponsored by other bait companies). I’m not wanting to turn anyone into a Marukyu lover, but facts speak for themselves over the past year since they were released.

[TF_Dodge]

Wow that must have been some session this morning …… your post is 6.44am and it ony gets light at 5.30 am ! Oh and you can catch on dog sh!t first light on most venues !

Pathetic !

[TF_Fishingbaits]

Think you need to look at the clock on your computer fella, or learn how to tell the time. It was 7.44am i posted. And yes, I was out at 5am

You have some serious issues fella, calm down, go fishing.

I’m only sharing what I’ve caught. You’d think I’d said I broke the world carp record.

[TF_tony csas]

well said youngun, some grumpy gets on here at times 🙂 🙂

[TF_sennapod]

Well Mr Fishing Baits and anyone else reading this. JPZs are FANTASTIC. I’ve been using the 6mm JPZs for the past year. I tend to use them when nothing else is working and 9/10 times I get a fish on. As for the 10mm, I have used them this week. I was catching all sorts on 6mm but had a feeling bigger fish were there. I put one on…bang….a carp of around 12lb. Can’t understand people who say they don’t work.

As for Krilled maggots, I haven’t used bronze, but red have caught me all kinds of silver fish.

Finally, whoever said don’t use seaweed Groundbaits and use fishmeal, should have a look at how high Protein baits will turn fish off feeding in cooler water. Their immune system is built as such. I had the opportunity of talking to fisheries Dr Bruno Broughton at one of the trade shows last year and he went into some detail about it. The lower protein Groundbaits are still doing well for me as the water is still warming.

People need to understand the bait, and work with it. Once your over that hump and get the feel for what and how to use it, it definitely helps.

By the way, I still use ringers and dynamite, but the Marukyu stuff is at the top of my bag. I’ve had loads of people ask me what I’m using when I’ve been fishing and most of my fishing friends are now using it with success.

Point made, just thought some of the replies we’re ill thought out and the thread needed some balance.

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

FFS. This is turning in to MFS.

[TF_Fred Davis]

years ago before thee were born lad chrysodine died bromze maggots ruled on most rivers and lakes and were the maggot to use for roach,( so it’s no surprise that you caught, well done for discovering what everyone else new.) and that was before fishmeal which krill is one type of was added to the maggots, however if you wish to carry on parting with your hard earned cash for that japenise sh*te continue after all they say theres one born evey day lol

good angling catches fish as well as good fresh bait however if you have no faith in your ability then carry on looking for that wonder bait shop keepers love anglers like you in fact the trade depends on it 😎

[TF_Fishingbaits]

Bless…do you still have a Wicker basket as well? ‘ no need for innovation, research, development and modern stuff lad… ‘

At the end of the day, the biggest bait company in the world whose stuff I used for the Krilled maggots and who manufacture the JPZ’s haven’t just got there by fair trade and catching anglers.

All this over the fact I caught some roach over 2 early mornings on testing a different combination with bait. PMSL 😀

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

I think the reason your getting flak is your not posting your advertising.

[TF_sennapod]

Can anyone tell me what MFS is??

[Anonymous]

Here is a challenge for Marukyu, Marukyu sponsored anglers or the likes of fishingbaits who are attempting to gain added sales.

Would love to see a peg to peg match between anglers using Marukyu baits against anglers using traditional/none marukyu baits. The results could then be published for all to see on the forum.

I have a very good idea what the results would be!

The only time i ever read anything about Marukyu baits is when someone is attempting to up the sales for there own gain or to up the profile of the product by Marukyu sponsored anglers. Very little in the way of positive feedback from anglers who are not sponsored by Marukyu or selling the stuff.

[TF_Fishingbaits]

Interesting you say that, they have an event against Nutrabaits tomorrow at Bartson if you were interested in seeing what really happens.

http://www.facebook.com/Marukyu.UK

Some top anglers there from both sides.

[TF_Fred Davis]

No I don.t have a wicker basket but do have a string of big match wins including the first big internet match run by this site, fenland champs, thames champs, wey nav, river kennet, fished in the all england when around 1000 fished finished 20th overall on the thames, civil service titles and postal match titles including both team national winner and individual national champ. regional winner in southern, south central, east anglian and london matches thats just off the cuff some matches I have to be reminded that i won as I often forget that I have been there done that was photo journalist for southern angler, now sunshine what have you done then Oh I forgot also river colne champs and of course national po teams of 4 at woodland veiw have also qualified for the last four years or so in the garbo clubman and have managed more tha once to win my section in this prestigeous final

and guess what all on natural untampered baits

now what have you won on that japenese sh*te and obviously from your comments high tec gear

all the gear and no idea springs immediately to mind 😀 😀 😀 😀

I like lads like you as when they start to fish matches it helps to swell the pot 🙂

[TF_Fishingbaits]

Congratulations.

You do get wound very easily though and seem to like to have a pop when unprovoked…maybe some pleasure angling with a bit of Japanese magic would calm you down! 😀

[Anonymous]

Sorry but that is not a Marukyu baits v traditional/none Marukyu baits match. Its a carp anglers v match anglers match. However, some of the anglers might use a bit of Marukyu bait to keep their individual sponsors happy.

You sound like you know all about marukyu baits. You must catch a lot of fish. Fancy putting your money where your mouth is in a match. You use marukyu baits and i will use normal/traditional/none marukyu baits? Bring a few of your marukyu mates. Im sure Fred would enjoy proving a point too. Oh, and the results could be published for everybody to see!!! Fancy it?

[TF_Fishingbaits]

Good grief….. I never said I was a match angler…but i do know a bit about Marukyu baits. I go back to the start of the post. I tired out Bronze Krilled maggots with some Marukyu groundbait and did well with Roach early in the morning on Saturday and Sunday.

It’s turned into Fred telling me how proud his mum is of him, and you jumping on the bandwagon and hiding behind his skirt.

There really must be something missing in your life to want to put something down so much.

I have no interest in a match against a couple of frustrated, angry guys.

[TF_AJParticipant]

ooooooooooooooooooooo
Senapod, MFS is Match Fishing Scene, another forum. A much more grown up debate with proper anglers who are good for the crack without getting all aggressive about it. You should have a look. You’ll get some for and against on Marukyu.

Marukyu is an interesting bait and creates a lot of debate, however the Fishing Baits poster should know that TrueBlue should be called BitterBlue. he tried to get sponsored some time ago by a few bait companies and got nowhere and I think thats why he’s giving you so much grief 😉

Fred, you’re old and should know better. No need to be so grumpy.

Lighten up guys. Before you start on me, I caught on corn today….oh and on JPZ….. :rolleyes:

[Anonymous]

Im not angry or frustrated and i defo dont need to hide behide anybodys skirt. I simply dont like cons by people and companys who attempt to make money in the way that your attempting to do. This thread re bronze krilled maggots is nothing more than an attempt at free advertising and a blatent attempting to con a few anglers on the forum who dont know any better for your own financial gain! . If you had any credability. You would never have opened the thread in the first place.

AJ, get it right. I tried to get sponsored by a tackle company. Not a bait company. I got sponsored by a tackle and bait company!!!

If supporting Everton makes me a bitterblue. Then, i can live with that. 🙂

[Anonymous]

it is good to see a less biased discussion about marakyu baits compared to similar debates on mfs.
every marakyu thread on mfs seems to run the same course with the occasional sceptic being harangued by the marakyu experts, converts and hanger-ons until it is generally accepted that marakyu baits are the best bait in the world for everything that swims.

i wrote on a marakyu thread that i couldnt get a bite on a jpz pellet in a swim packed with hungry carp when i could catch them one after another on expanders and sweetcorn and guess what — it turned out to be my fault because i was not good enough at fishing –or words were written to that effect.

and as for going out at dawn to catch dog roach –well try it with bread. i bet you will catch more and they will probably be bigger. any idiot can catch fish at dawn.

[TF_Slider]

Wow, this thread really is an example of how ignorant anglers can be !

Why would Marukyu spend all this money on researching bait if it doesnt work ?

Im not sponsored by them but choose to use a bit of their bait, its good, it catches fish and has won me money, plenty of money in fact.

Try krilling meat and try the EFG100 for skimmers, you might even surprise yourselves !

Why do people who have clearly not tried this stuff need to slate it ??

[Anonymous]

see what i mean?

even when you post on a different website you get haranged by an mfs stalwart!

[TF_Slider]

Im hardly harranging you am I .

I think its you harranging the guy from fishing baitz !!!

What im saying is that the bait catches fish, I can prove that to you any time you wish to come fishing with me.

Just because you dont catch on it doesnt make it crap. Plus my comments were aimed at everyone who is slating it not just you !

If you have a beef with MFS thats up to you but I was posting on this site long before you knew it existed !!!

[TF_bigoldbigbuttParticipant]

So asking questions is haranguing is it? He states his opinion, asks a question, relates his experience, offers advice and finishes with an open question. I get the impression you have a closed mind azt or a real bee in your bonnet about Marukyu, although not as much of one as Fred and Trueblue.

[TF_tony beresford]

@Fred Davis wrote:

Don’t bother I have fished next to mates using krilled maggots and there sh*te needless to say it made no difference to the sound beating they got, when will anglers realise there are no magic baits as for the 10 mm new pellets they work as well as the smaller ones which also don,t work trust in dynamite, ringers and other fishmeal based products fcuk the seaweed substitutes

didnt think an adult could say anything so stupid

[Anonymous]

i meant to put a lol on my last post but forgot
sorry slider

[TF_MarcRodger]

Come on guys we all love the same sport forget about it, life is to short

[TF_JohnH]

I am on the fence on this one. I do wish however that posters would stick to facts. I assume the antis have tried these baits and for one reason or another rejected them. Thats fine, but please tell us why, constructively. We might all learn something then.

[TF_Fred Davis]

We all enjoy the sport, I don’t think anyone is getting too excited my main point in the discussion is that there is no substitute for skill even Roy has stated that using maruku baits will not turn an angler into a match winner or indeed a better angler, however he feels that it is top quality bait which has been researched to a very fine degree offering state of the art attractants and feed stimulants, whether it’s worth the extra wonga is for the angler to decide, I have tried some maruku products as have some mates we definately don’t see the products as a wonder bait, good product but not magical.

ok maybe I went a bit over the top in calling the stuff japenese Sh*te :rolleyes: however in my defence it was a knee jerk reaction to seeing this product once again being promoted as some sort of miricle mix which it certainly ain,t 😎

enjoy your angling thats the main thing 😉

[TF_JohnH]

I have the ticket for Mallory, the home waters for this new bait. Looking at match results there does not seem to be any change pre and post the revolution “Maruku”.
I too have struggled with the JPZ but the time to try them is not when you are struggling, nor when you are bagging either. They need an approach IMO that is a bit alien to us. I did finally catch on JPZ when I fed corn, definately not anything fishmeal like pellets for example.
However I get limited time on the bank so my observations have taken 10 visits or more to work out. Another observation, carp drift in and out of your peg so you cant catch them if they are not there!! I have also had Roy behind me tutoring on JPZ and I still couldnt catch on them, he said it was because he was there and I would catch when he left, I did!!
Fred is correct watercraft is most important, I could exchange baits with Alan Scothorne before a match an dhe would still hammer me, and most others too. There is no magic in Maruku, just fun in trying it, its a bit expensive but cheaper than worm maggot caster etc by miles.It certainly makes you think about what you are doing.

[TF_Fred Davis]

Couldn’t agree with you more John especially with casters at £4 a pint, the days when we used to take 10 pint of caster to a venue which was the case at the glebe not so long ago is fast vanishing and in comparason maruku bait is more economic but then so is a bag of skrettings lol 😀 😀 😀 😀

[TF_Dodge]

My watch was working fine early this morning …….

I went for a dump at 5.27 am precisely !

[TF_tony beresford]

@Fred Davis wrote:

We all enjoy the sport, I don’t think anyone is getting too excited my main point in the discussion is that there is no substitute for skill even Roy has stated that using maruku baits will not turn an angler into a match winner or indeed a better angler, however he feels that it is top quality bait which has been researched to a very fine degree offering state of the art attractants and feed stimulants, whether it’s worth the extra wonga is for the angler to decide, I have tried some maruku products as have some mates we definately don’t see the products as a wonder bait, good product but not magical.

ok maybe I went a bit over the top in calling the stuff japenese Sh*te :rolleyes: however in my defence it was a knee jerk reaction to seeing this product once again being promoted as some sort of miricle mix which it certainly ain,t 😎

enjoy your angling thats the main thing 😉

nice one fred

[TF_shanieboy]

Horses for courses some will love it some will hate it thats the way of the world and always will be……… theres nothin wrong with a good old heated debate, it helps to blow the cobwebs out and i enjoyed reading everyones thoughts 😀 one thing fred left out tho in his long list He’s a dam fine snooker player too 😀 😀 😀

[TF_Fred Davis]

Thanks shannieboy, as well as the snooker :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: don’t forget my table tennis after returning to the sport a year ago in april ( after a 35 year break from playing ) I have topped the div 2 individual player averages in the cheshunt league and also topped the individual averages in the north middx div 3, i’ts the premier divisions for me next year, mind you it’s been very hard work, I have practised every day for two hours mon to friday all winter at ellenborough TTC as well as playing in the leagues and have a good ex hungarian international TTplayer/coach teaching this old dog new tricks, however there are no brown envelopes to be gained at table tennis or indeed much recognition, I did it mainly to get back back fit again so I could be back on the bank as at 61 years of age I was having trouble carrying the gear, however I am playing in the divisional finals on wednesday for another gong and it will be good to get a few county medals at my ripe old age. more importantly a good degree of fitness has now returned

like fishing there is no magic formula you need to put in the work to get results, and having had a small break from winter angling I feel all the more refreshed and as keen as ever when I am back on the bank.

[TF_steve r]

Glad to see you doing well on the fitness front Fred but I have to express my disappointment with your attitude towards Maryuku baits as you always seemed a level-headed type of guy.
What works for some won’t for others but to brand it shite and the like is somewhat out of order coming from someone who manufactured and sold groundbaits and pastes to fellow anglers a few years back – or were we just being caught as well. LOL :confused:

[TF_Fishingbaits]

Anyone for catching roach? :rolleyes:

[TF_Dodge]

I forgot to add it wasnt quite daylight when i had a dump at 5.27 am this morning !

[TF_bigoldbigbuttParticipant]

Glad you had a good bowel movement Dodge, it obviously mirrors what you talk. Ignorance is bliss…

[TF_shanieboy]

@Dodge wrote:

I forgot to add it wasnt quite daylight when i had a dump at 5.27 am this morning !

Soo funny 😀 😀 i guess if you were sponsored by Maruku you would have had to say you had a dump at 1 10 or 1 30 😉
oh and one was a bit firmer in texture and the other broke down quicker 😀 :p 😀

[TF_Swimfeeder]

Are anglers that cannot afford to buy these products fishing at a disadvantage? are they non runners purely because of costs? should these products be banned for the good of the sport?
Match fishing attendances are falling dramatically, (see Geepsters thread) is it time matches all over the Country had bait restrictions? is it time match angling had universal rules about bait that are the same for everyone?

[TF_Slider]

Cost is a riduculous argument.

I think we should ban everyone with top end poles and Rive boxes !!

[TF_Fred Davis]

Steve at a £1 a tub for the pellets at least they were being sold at trade prices not £8 a tub big difference, the groundbait me and John made was sold at cost, thats the cost that it cost us, it was made only due to anglers requesting it after seeing what john and sean brennan had managed to catch with the stuff, even Barry Gannon had 10 bags in exchange for a range of his floats which he offered as a gift/part exchange, also more were given away as prizes and freebies to fellow anglers, theres a big difference, in trying to provide what at the time was unavailable to lots of mates a decent hookable pellet and groundbait products with a proven track record that were unavailable anywhere else, Infact I still get asked for some today but it is just too costly to make them as what they are sold for so I don’t bother.

still your quite right what some anglers like maruku others anglers don’t
I am not a big fan of maruku as the products are costly and some products don’t work for me, other anglers will have to make there own mind up.

I am not anti maruku as there may be a product they make that I have not tried and works well, what i don’t like is having this product constantly thrust down our throats as a magic bait because that it certainly ain’t.

[TF_Slider]

Reminds me of a certain brand of fishing line that was literally thrust down our throat for years by a few on here Fred ! Do you recall its name ??? LOL

[TF_Fred Davis]

😉 yes ok 😉 Slider you and Steve are now point scoring :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: and straying from the subject and yes I did promote a certain line and I still use it today and still rate it as the best on the market imo 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

so we all have to learn lessons. 😮

how ever I think both of you know that I would never ever promote anything without the best interest of fellow anglers in mind, never took any payment even when working for southern angler or doing my bit for a certain british line company.

doing things for the love of the sport is a completely differnt thing,

overpromoting a product without doubt can have a negative effect.

I shall now go back into the shadows having had my say

keep well and enjoy the fishing

[TF_Fishingbaits]

Fred, if you do ever feel like trying the maggots out, or wearing an I love Marukyu t shirt while youre fishing, let me know and I’ll sort something out!

….sorry couldn’t resist 🙂

Glad to see there is a bit of humour been added the post, albeit I never expected such a debate.

[TF_Slider]

Fred, overpromotion is no good but having now used these Marukyu baits for well over a year I have found the varieties that work for me and my venues and I can hand on my heart tell you they work, and I dont get paid to say that.

Here are some examples.

Expander pellets with Sanagi and Crayfish liquid are superb for Skimmers, they outfish normal pellets IMHO.

Krilled meat is superb and on venues that see lots of meat it can give you an edge. I also add the Krill powder to my paste mixes and it certainly does no harm !

EFG 100 is brilliant, and i mean brilliant, mixed with good old Sensas Magic for skimmers and bream when you intend on fishing pellet over the top, the F1s @ Barston like it too !

I have had mixed results with EFG 131, some days they go mental for it and others they dont so I tend to stay away from it.

I dont endorse the whole range, I have tried most of it and stick with what works. I still use Green Swimstim for paste and use normal Skretting Pellet for feed so im not a Marukyu clone but there are bits of it that have now replaced my old mixes/concotions and I have had to find that out by trial and error so im glad I didnt write it off before I had tried it .

[TF_Fred Davis]

Thanks for the very kind offer Fishingbaits 😉 and any offence I may have caused you, of course heartfelt apologies mate, it was not directed at you as an individual purely at the number of threads we have had on maruku suggesting that it is something other than it is, which is a very good highly researched and highly promoted (mainly by there legion of sponsered anglers) range of fishing bait products, or alternatively as i call it (jokingly) Japenese sh*te 😉 Great thread though bought out a bit of banter even from Steve R so it has aroused interest, I would think Roy is rubbing his hands at the thought of all this extra exposure, as they say in journalism there is no such thing as bad press lol

Slider I have not as yet tried the EFG 100 so may well give it a go, I dare say there are some really good products amongst the product range, but there should be considering the price! I have not written maruku off as a product to use, just dissapointed that in some cases the results don’t match the hype, having said that what does? 😉

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

Coming onto any forum purley to promote your product is annoying to say the least and actually in my opinion just puts people off, as its obviously just blatant advertising on the cheap.

I don’t use marukuy products, not because i don’t think they are any good. Even without trying them you just know that coming from Japan they are going to be very top quality product. Just about everything Japanese always is.

No, the reason why I don’t use them is because for me what you are feeding is nearly always irrelevant when compared to how you are feeding. Obviously there are some considerations like the depths of winter, but even then its still all about the how.

At the end of the day, we are generally talking carp and skimmers here and they will eat pretty much anything, lets not forget.

I much prefer to build my confidence with just a handfull of traditional baits, pellet, paste, corn, meat, maggot, worm, caster and bread. I don’t like to get bogged down with too many options as i think it just adds to your lack of confidence when things don’t go your way. Its why I don’t do a lot of additives either. I’m not a particularly good angler but i do know that confidence plays a massive part in everybody’s fishing.

The bait industry is now huge and everyone will try to convince you that their bait is the best, in my opinion its far better to find a bait that suits you then work on how to feed it properly and how to actually work for your fish, and this is coming from somebody who is at best very ordinary angler.

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

Having used a couple of the marukyu products in the past.in my own opinion,they are the easiest groundbaits to mix up.you avoid waste by only mixing what you need at the time.are they different to other groudbaits available.?,yes they are.are they magical baits.?,no -simply because there is no magical bait claim with them.are they better than any other groundbait is anyones guess,my answer to that is no,purely because all bait manufacturers have their pros and cons with some items.and anglers may have a favourite from many bait companies.

[TF_Dodge]

@shanieboy wrote:

@Dodge wrote:

I forgot to add it wasnt quite daylight when i had a dump at 5.27 am this morning !

Soo funny 😀 😀 i guess if you were sponsored by Maruku you would have had to say you had a dump at 1 10 or 1 30 😉
oh and one was a bit firmer in texture and the other broke down quicker 😀 :p 😀

Sounds like it dunnit shanieboy 😉 😀

Cant believe i got critiscism for stating the time i had a dump from a believer 😮 😉 😀

Turmeric and bronze maggots ! Now there is a roach additive that has caught a few million roach over the years ….. only a few pence a aswell 😉

Beware the Marukyu police they are everywhere , well mostly on MFS but they are on here now ! 😮 😉 🙂

[TF_steve r]

@Dodge wrote:

Beware the Marukyu police they are everywhere , well mostly on MFS but they are on here now ! 😮 😉 🙂

Some of us were on here well before MFS or Maryuku existed – quite who the Maryuku police are I don’t know but I speak as someone who has paid for the stuff and like it for certain situations but, as you also said, turmeric’ed bronze maggots have caught me loads of Roach as well ! What I didn’t/don’t like is people who slate something without giving it a decent try out, that to my mind is as bad as people trying to ram a product down your throat 😉

PS Fred, haven’t you and I always ‘done’ banter ? :rolleyes:

[TF_Fred Davis]

Yes Steve we have always enjoyed each others company and banter allways a great pleasure to see you on the bank Steve. obviously the jury is out for some on maruku some love it, some don’t, some are still undecided, i think there are a lot of anglers who maybe expect more as it is pricier than some other brands. As for Tidal wave saying it goes furthur because you measure out what you need I think most anglers are doing that with there bait these days anyway irrespective of brand, I for one will try the EFg 100 as Slider is a good ex one time team mate when we won the intersite series and won our leg being on his home stretch of the kennet and avon canal which if memory serves me well slider won from the boats stretch. Hopefully I’ll catch up with him at gold valley if your fishing the garbo mt8

Maybe just maybe I’ll have some efg 100 just in case I draw on syndicate and have to go for the skimmers!!! 😮

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

I fished Sunday and had 40lb+ of F1s on corn and 8m skrettings.When i used a JPZ i never had a bite.However i did catch on the new 10m JPZ at Wood lane the week before.This was fished over corn down the edge in the last 30mins,and i had one a put in.I was a bit upset when missing bites cause the pellets stood in around 10p each……When the whistle went i made sure to take off the unblemished pellet from the hook and put it back in the jar with its costly mates…….lol.
IMO they work like most baits…….when youve got fish in your peg and when the fish want whats offered……..SIMPLES.

Gutted cause today i should have been trying them out at Gold Valley,but have had to abort as i have to take dear old Mum to hospital.
HAVE A NICE DAY NOW. :p :p :p :p :p :p

[TF_toplights]

Their bound to be barred there Mick.Hope you get on ok today.If i can help,you know where i is. 😀

[TF_sennapod]

Well chaps, I ordered from fishingbaits.biz for the second time yesterday and although they advertise next business day delivery, i was expecting delivery on Monday but this morning, there was a knock at the door and low and behold there was my bait. That is well fast !! Thanks Mr FishingBaits and co.

I was going out tomorrow to try out some Got Baits groundbait and pellets and normal, live maggots but unexpectedly got some of the Krilled Maggots that caused so much debate last weekend and my usual Marukyu bag of goodies. I’ll be on Whiteheads Top tomorrow in Ainsworth and looking forward to a good day fishing

Good luck to those who are on a match this weekend!!!

[TF_Fishingbaits]

Thanks Senapod. We aim to please.

Just a note of caution. Although we pride ourselves on Next day delivery, it is actually Monday to Friday for anything ordered before 2pm.

Our courier does however sometimes deliver on a Saturday and it’s a good feeling when we delight customers with this. I wouldn’t want any set any expectations wrong with people thinking Saturday delivery is the norm.

We want to be famous for fulfilling our commitments and being reliable and this means next day delivery Monday to Friday.

Good luck tomorrow. I won’t mention what bait I’ve been using today :p

[TF_Fred Davis]

As this has been bumped back up to the top I’d just like to say to “Fishingbaits” great website I was almost tempted to order some groundbait and other bits and bobs, what is value is if you can’t purchase maruku locally then this has to be the place to order from the postage rates for next day for any ammount is under £3.00 and when you consider what 25 bags of groundbait weighs thats value, I notice that the efg 100 is only £3,99 a bag thats not bad, prices seem just a tad cheaper than my local tackle shop as well.

[Anonymous]

Sennapod = Fishingbaits, lol

[TF_steve r]

Fred old fella you’re mellowing with age. LOL 😉

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

He hasn’t Steve r, he’s had a visit from the maryuku police. I reckon they’ve kicked his back doors in.

[TF_poolsfodder]

😀 😀 just to rub salt in the wound (i,e fred davis) i will be using KRILLED MAGGOTS at larford this weekend 😮 😮 😮

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

@poolsfodder wrote:

😀 😀 just to rub salt in the wound (i,e fred davis) i will be using KRILLED MAGGOTS at larford this weekend 😮 😮 😮

Your bound to win then.

[TF_poolsfodder]

@andy cranes mate wrote:

@poolsfodder wrote:

😀 😀 just to rub salt in the wound (i,e fred davis) i will be using KRILLED MAGGOTS at larford this weekend 😮 😮 😮

Your bound to win then.

dont think so but will try them think pellets are best there

[TF_sennapod]

I’m surprised Mr fishing bait hasn’t commented on this post as the JPZ seem to be one of the main Marukyu baits, but guess he won’t want the grief after the last post he put up. There is an article on their web site you might find useful though. http://fishingbaits.biz/news/jelly-pellets/

I’ve used JPZs myself for some time and I’ve spoken to a few people from Marukyu themselves about them. For what its worth, my view is they are not a wonder bait, but they do work. You need to read the water properly and fish well. What I mean is sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t, like any other bait, however for me more often than not I have done well on them. As the article with Andy Kinder says, they are very good at staying on the hook or hair rig. You need the right feeder bait to go with them as they are only a hook bait, unless you are loaded and can afford 20 jars of JPZ for a session!!!

I caught a few fish this morning on both Marukyu Baits and on usual standard baits corn and maggots, but got fed up with my brolly being blown all over the place. I hate fishing in the rain.

[TF_Fred Davis]

I can’t complain I was at marsh farm for the LPR match, a proper 66 pegger, not a silly 15 peg knock up! and although it was fairly tough I had 9 tench for 34lb 8oz for a lake win and second overall, I was going to try the EFG 100 but they don’t sell maruku at apollo 2 so had to settle for a 50/50 mix of green swim stim and sonubaits sweet fishmeal F1 mix which smelt wonderful, god knows what they put in it, however I can’t complain worked a treat on the method and open end feeder hookbaits were varied as there was plenty of time before bites! 9 bites/9 fish all caught on corn or red maggot, caster and worm or combinations, my good old mate Dave Stockley won on harrisons with 35lb, so another quid found it’s way to Daves sky rocket, i don’t mind the quid it’s the ear bashing he gives me, beaten by 8oz doh still a terrible day weather wise I can’t remember fishing in such terrible conditions non stop heavy rain and a full gale force wind brolleys were wrecked all round the lakes.

[TF_JohnH]

A mate from our club just emailed me pictures of a 17lb mirror he caught last week, he was over the moon. I asked him how he caught it, two JPZ over 4mm pellets he replied.
Each to his own, some will swear by it some will swear at it.
I bought some 10mm JPZ last week and most blokes in the shop told me to save my money the concensus was they dont work.I think the ones making them work are keeping quiet about it.

[Anonymous]

Two reasons why a carp will each a bait. The first is that the carp see,s the bait as a good food sourse and so eats it. The seond reason is that the carp see,s something unusual that could be a new food sourse. So, they try to eat it.

In angling terms. The second reason is why JPz hook baits do catch a few carp. Examples of this are plastic corn or cork balls. Also, in the early days of anglers using boilies. Boilies fitted in to the first group of baits. These have now been fed in large quantities in many of our lakes. Boilies are now seen as being a good food sourse that carp are use to finding and eating.

As single hook baits JPz,s should work quite well in the same way as plastic corn works. In swims where the fish are feeding heavily. Such as in the margins at the end of a match. JPz,s should at times be a great hook bait because they stand out. This does not mean that carp like eating JPz hook pellets in preference to other hook baits or feed. In the case of the margins. Almost any hook bait will work if the fish can find it. This does not mean that JPz are better than any other hook bait. They, are just another hook bait that will work!!!

Believe me when i say that cost does not come in to it if carp like eating JPz,s and are a better pellet than any other. In fact, anglers would feed them to gain an edge as well as fish them on the hook. The cost would be covered in prize money from there winning matches. In the case of the sponsored marukyu anglers. I would be very shocked if they hae not tried feeding JPz,s and found that they have struggled. The reason being that as a food sourse. The fish dont like them very much once eaten!

This is why many anglers have struggled to catch on JPz hook pellets in general fishing situations when other food sourses are available and anglers catch on other hook baits.

I have nothing aginst marukyu products. However, i have a big problem with the marketing rubbish stated about the science. Science my arse!

[TF_Fishingbaits]

No one is asking you to use them. There is a science to the production, that’s a fact.

JPZ’s are not a bait that immediately catch fish though and the skill of fishing comes into being able to catch. Marukyu manufacturing and research labs are huge, their scientists study fish behaviour, evolution etc…this does not mean there is any claim by Marukyu that all you need is some fishing line and a hook. It also doesn’t mean that other fishing baits are a waste of time, in fact the staple baits and other fishing bait can be very complementary.

The only thing I can point you to is an article that talks about the approach Marukyu take to their fishing bait production for all their baits including JPZ.
http://fishingbaits.biz/news/fishing-baits/our-first-news-article-why-are-marukyu-baits-the-best-in-the-world/20110976/

Take the article as you want, but I can stand up to it being fact.
I’m sure other bait companies have similar techniques, maybe not on the same scale.

[TF_Fred Davis]

True blue thats the first post about JPZ pellets that’s made sense lol

especially your last line

Science my Ar*e

which makes perfect sense 😉 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

Have had a read of the article and it reminds me of that well known phrase ” smoke and mirrors”, next well have a foundation accredatation mark on fishing baits, all other baits will be banned and noted as unhealthy lol

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

How anybody can say that these pellets don’t work is beyond me. What do they mean by ‘don’t work?’ Carp will literally attempt to eat just about anything, its in their nature. They might reject stuff which they sense isnt edible or is dangerous but that’s about it.

will these pellets give you an edge, no not really, not from a bait point of view as its a how not what situation. The only real advantage would be the psychological ‘ I’m a sheep, i must follow’ perspective that we adopt when somebody else is successful.

[Anonymous]

Fred, i was only saying what you already thought but i put it in to words on here instead of you, lol 😉

Baitchef, JPZ pellets as a hook bait will produce a few fish in specific situations. However, so does plastic corn and i know you have caught a few fish with plastic corn in the past. Can Marukyu explain the science behind why plastic corn is so successful as a hook bait for carp? Both hook baits work for the same reasons. Although, plastic corn is likely to be more effective because it represents a real food item that carp like to eat!

If the science behind JPz pellets was so good (The fish like eating them more than other food/baits). Then, feeding JPz pellets would produce more fish than other feed and hook baits. Thats not the case or anglers would be doing it!!! There effectiveness is only as a stand out hook bait. There is no science behind this! Feed only JPz pellets and you would struggle to catch. I think even Marukyu are suggesting this! That kills the science claim behind these pellets. Nice sales pitch aimed at novice anglers looking for a magical hook bait but its nothing more than a con.

As for most of the other Marukyu products (ground bait and pellets). Some will be more effective than others for many reasons. Some of it might even work but the science will have very little to do with it. None of it was tested and produced for the UK market, types of fish, types of venues or conditions. Skimmers seem to like some of the Marukyu ground baits. However, skimmers do like ground bait as we all know. Not that i have read many reports about the Japanese catching many skimmers in there matches! What is the Japanese bream record?

I have never seen a review of Marukyu products by any angler where other none Marukyu baits have not been used/fed. These Marukyu product reviews always include casters, hemp and corn as examples. Why the need for added feed to enhance the Marukyu products? However, its the Marukyu products that helped to catch a few fish in all claims. If those Marukyu products are so great. There should be no need for casters, hemp or corn in an honest review of the Marukyu products. Quite clear to me whats going on. Not that some of the reviews have enhanced Marukyu,s reputation anyway. The so called science is struggling if you need to add casters, hemp or corn to catch more than the odd fish in my opinion in any review unless thats the claim in the first place! The science struggles every time!

[TF_Slider]

Trueblue

I didnt think what you wrote could shock me anymore but it has, what utter drivel !

Likening JPz to fake corn is the most retarded thing I have read in a long time and you clearly have not read or listened to the science behind these baits.

[Anonymous]

Would you like to explain the science behind JPz pellets, Slider?

While your at it. Could you also explain why many anglers are able to catch carp on baits like corn or normal pellet. Put a JPz pellet on the same rig. Put it in the same swim and the fish seem to vanish. Put corn back on the hook and the carp seem to return? This is other anglers experiences of JPz pellets and not mine.

To me this suggests that the science behind JPz pellets is rubbish. However, as a stand out single hook bait. JPz pellets should produce the odd carp if there is no other food available. This is where plastic corn works best. Thats where the comparisan ends between plastic corn and JPz pellets!!!

The other time when a bait like JPz should produce is when the carp are going nuts in the margins. This seems to be the case based on a few anglers results. This is shown in the link fishingbaits posted. The problem have with this is that i,ve match fished the Glebe and never had a problem in bagging up in the margins with corn on the hook. No need for JPz pellets when the carp are feeding. The float goes under in seconds every time!

Interesting that the match weights have not gone up since marukyu baits where introduced on the Glebe. You would think that the match weights would have increased quite a bit if these baits where as good as claimed. Its what the science suggests should happen. Maybe someone should tell the carp. 😮

[TF_JohnH]

Correct me if I am wrong please but these products were developed in Japan for fish feed, not baits to catch fish. I can fully understand why the link was made to use them as bait. However the science is all about health benefits for the fish (we know the Japanese are world leaders in koi breeding and colouring).
I made the point about match weights at the Glebe a while ago.
If you follow the logic its like trying to tempt hungry diners by offering lettuce and carrots when sometimes we know we just want steak and to hell with the fact it might not be good for us!!
Meat is banned at many fisheries now including the Glebe for fish health reasons/water quality only but we all know how effective a bait it is.
I guess the only way Maruku can sell is if the catching side is pushed, when in reality the science supports fish welfare not extra fish in the net.

[TF_Slider]

Im not going to waste my time on explaining anything to you Trueblue but here is a bit of research you can do for yourself just like i did by asking people who actually know what they are talking about, unlike yourself !

Go and find out what Prey Salts are. To my limited knowledge fake corn does not contain them !

John, Marukyu was developed as fishing bait and not fish food which is what your standard pellet is !

[Anonymous]

very well reasoned reply that tb. i really do think that mfs made a mistake by not allowing your contributions on their site because,and especially so in this case, your arguments are so logically and simply presented.

i remember on mfs last year someone trumpeted the success of marakyu baits by writing that he had won 3 open matches in a row on a certain venue on the herts-essex border because he had been using jpz pellets as hookbait. i was naturally very impressed and tried them myself with no success at a couple of different venues.
this year at the same certain venue an angler has won 5 or even 6 open matches –almost in a row– he doesnt fish there every week– on sweetcorn,maggots and gotbait pellets

he won these matches because he was good enough to catch the fish that were already holed up in his peg and the hookbait was not that relevant to his success. he might even have won using jpz pellets! only joking with that last sentence

[TF_Slider]

Carefull Atz, if you crawl much further up TrueBlues ass he will choke !!

Nobody wins matches because of bait, they win because they did the most things right on the day, the draw, the tactics, feeding, presentation and decisions.

Atz im sure when you have won matches its been down to how you fished it rather than a magic bait !

What gets me about you lot and Marukyu is you clearly dont understand it so you revert to the default setting of slagging it off.

If it hasnt worked for you does that mean the baits crap or you are crap , or actually does it just mean it didnt work on that day ?

[TF_JohnH]

It seems a tad strange that the Mallory web site has not been updated since 4 Dec last year. Surely someone has caught on these baits over winter?
Normally the winter league results are kept “reasonably” up to date.

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

There are some baits which clearly have an edge when it comes to flavours, catmeat being a great example

[TF_Dodge]

Yuk , Yuk.

Yuk , Yuk

maryukyuk police are out again ! :rolleyes: 🙂

[TF_Fred Davis]

i think true blue has a point I once won my lake with fake corn at hartleylands, we had worked out hair rigged corn on a method was the way to go, in practice however the carp really enialated the corn on the hook and getting the remnants off to rebait took time, as it was a bite a chuck time was critical,I asked the organiser if we could use plastic baits he said to me use what you like, the reason I asked of course is because according to nfa rules you can use fake baits but it has to be in conjunction with a natural bait on the hook, as the match was not being run to nfa rules and with the organisers say so I used the plastic the matcht was plain sailing, the fake sinking corn (not floating) worked a treat on the match and I finished around 25lb clear of the runner up who fished normal corn and method. Does flavour do anything? carp obviously took the plastic because it resembles a food item. Wheres the science !

[TF_Fishingbaits]

Does Marukyu’s work with Tokyo University of Marine Science and Technology count for a Scientific approach to the development of their bait?

If you look further you will see their work with government agencies for fisheries and the like.

Slider has also knows his stuff as Prey Salt is one of the key factors of the JPZ. Anyone who cares to research it and speak to people about it will start to understand why they took 15 years to develop.

Anyone for catching Roach on Bronze Krilled Maggots?

[TF_wightangler]

Whilst accepting that fake corn and t bag or feeder work at certain times and conditions – you would’nt want to fish fake corn when pole fishing or in general use separately or with pellet. Method or t-bag is a bolt rig and you could arguably equally just bury a bare hook in the method and catch very well a lot of the time in summer.

By same token – you wouldn’t catch much with a fake pellet on the pole in normal use – and yes they do make them – perhaps shallow for while but even then they’d wise up quickly.

JPZ are made of a large krill component – as we know krill is a specific sea food dietary fish which like many other, is made into fish meal and pellets.
They certainly work as a change bait and seem, imo, equally useful for both carp and bream- surely that’s the point- if they give you a few more fish when fish are drifting in and out or backing off which they usually do at some point- partic. skimmers – then those few extra fish caught would have justified their use?
Similarly Mary Q is no wonder bait – but it certainly works well on some waters and has the activity of particle leakage to attract fish.
Surely, its just another combination and most have our own local variety of silvers/ sweet fishmeal and carp fishmeal g/bait for different venues and occasions which some swear by and others would disagree with.
G/Bait is also a business – but have to say after reading carpmagic regarding the feeder champs and, dare i say, a very individual specialized and intense expert approach that one Alex Bones depicted in the recent M/F. Then its clear that even experts are aware of the learning curve that we in the uk still have to go , comparatively.
Ok So it could be argued that Commies themselves are vastly different from any other venue type – but if Mary Q , and i was very much an initial sceptic, do have long association with scientific development – why should that not be any different in a commercial sense than the hungarian FIPS team getting services of their state scientific bait and venue assistance?

I agree that marketing and hype can be off-putting but then you could equally say that about established ‘traditional ‘ bait companies with perhaps even more cynicism – particularly where annual fads/flavours are concerned – yet others m,ay disagree and have confidence in them.

Certainly, i think both jpz’s and Mary Q are both well worth trying and having on venues that respond well to them, just like many other baits that suit a venue..

[Anonymous]

slider–where have i ever slagged off marakyu?

certainly i am a little sceptical and i definetly dont understand it but that is because i do not have the intelligence or inclination to read what is essentially marketing copy from marakyu itself.
on my fishing patch i can fairly confidently say that none of the matchwinners in say the last 5 weeks have fished with marakyu baits. that is only 3 different venues with 15-30 competitors.the point i am making here is that i believe a large majority of matchmen do not use marakyu and will not for two reasons. the first is that it apparently has to be understood to fish it effectively(?) but the second point is that it is expensive and makes matches even dearer to fish.
marakyu sponsor some of the best anglers and they win matches. the thinking is of course that the average angler can also win matches by using marakyu but when were all using marakyu what happens? weve all doubled our bait bill and the best anglers are still winning the matches
people arent stupid and thats why it hasnt taken off on the venues i fish.

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

Will using Marukyu turn an average angler into a matchwinner overnight,the answer is no.
do the products work and catch fish,the answer is yes they do.
but like any other fishing bait,they have their time and place,which does not always mean everytime time on every water.

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

Would the better anglers still be winning if Marakyu didnt even exist…yes.
Would I still have limited success because i dont put enough into my fishing …yes.
If i start using marakyu will i catch more fish…no.
Is marakyu good for fish welfare..yes.
Am i going fishing sunday….yes.
will i be using marakyu….no.

[TF_Dodge]

When was the last time a roach was caught in Japan ?

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

When somebody threw a spliff out the window….

[TF_mr marukyu]

fred/trueblue how can u comment or dismiss a bait u have never tried or used :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[TF_billy the squidParticipant]

Meanwhile, in the keys, roy is smoking a 35yr cured hand rolled “by an 18yr old angel” cuban wonder cigar and knocking back a few bottles of dom!!!. And fair play!….
wish i could think of summut that sells well 🙁

[Anonymous]

I never said that i have not tried many of your products mr marukyu. Its in my best interest to keep a very close eye on new baits and methods if i want to carry on picking up regular brown envelops. Claims about science and the best bait ever mean nothing to me. I,ve seen these claims before. However, if a product or bait potentially improves my match results. Then, im not shy in finding out what its all about.

[TF_JohnC]

It’s nice to see this sites still full of the usual bellends slagging off products that they haven’t used or they haven’t caught on straight away so they just dismiss it.

[TF_scarf]

No need for that comment JohnC.

If you don’t like the site bugger off.

[TF_mr marukyu]

go on trueblue tell us about your match results for the last 3years and about all these envelopes you are picking up, i read the results week in and out checking on my anglers and scouring the forums and your results are basically non existent.

[TF_toplights]

@JohnC wrote:

It’s nice to see this sites still full of the usual bellends slagging off products that they haven’t used or they haven’t caught on straight away so they just dismiss it.

I read both sides of this argument with interest,your comments are inflametry and uncalled for,Troll some where else.Any farther comments from you wil be ignored.

[TF_kid_a]

Its quite funny reading people going on about the ‘science’ behind marukyu baits and these same people shoving the ‘science’ down peoples throats without actually understanding what any of this ‘science’ means!!

Stop spouting crap about the science until you actually understand the science, until then you cannot comment on whether the science is genuine or marketing bollocks….

[TF_gazer]

lets be honest [for me anyway] a bit of science is interesting to much and it goes over my head the results i have with a product or i witness are are what realy mater i now have some jpzs to try great i was given them by a tackle dealer because he said he hadnt yet had a bite on them [not so great] i will try them with an open mind

[TF_Dishyfish]

Crayfish love em !! 😀 😀

[TF_Fred Davis]

Mr Maruku , I can’t beleive you have altermatically assumed I havern’t tried these products, rest assured i have tried the krill additive and can’t seem to see much difference in adding fishmeal to enhance the hookbait or salmon fry or one of the best/smelliest additives fishmeal based is obtained from oriental shops that adrian ellis of cemax once showed be which is of course the shrimp paste the smell is absolutely phenominal, as for the groundbaits I will try the efg 100 as recommended by slider as the couple i have tried wern’t as good as green swim stim, and although I may not have tried as many of the maruku products that are available, several of the anglers I fish with do and dam good anglers they are constantly in the top ten in the lpr series with near on 80 registered fishing every year, when they say they ain’t impressed with this or that product I for one lissen and take there advice, JPz’s in particular don’t seem to be very productive on our waters as straight forward pellets and other hook baits however they may work elsewhere, if on a boundary JPZ’s becomes “the bait ” rest assured as a match angler I’ll have some in my bag, I never write off any product and obviously some of the maruku products are good gear, however it is not any better and in some cases worse than a lot of proven product already out there in the market place, as I have said it definately ain’t a magic range of baits it ain’t going to turn a bad angler into a good angler thats for certain.

[TF_Dodge]

@baitchef wrote:

When somebody threw a spliff out the window….

Lol baitchef 😀

Right then moving on …….

It seems they dont have roach in Japan …….. shuks ! 😀

Maybe the japs should grow some hempseed or maybe anglers who actually want to catch a tidy net of roach should learn to fish the hemp , or bread or squatts or bloodworm & joker or use groundbaits that say ROACH on them ……….. worked for decades them baits …….. the French know a bit about roach ……..

[TF_bigoldbigbuttParticipant]

@TrueBlue wrote:

I never said that i have not tried many of your products mr marukyu. Its in my best interest to keep a very close eye on new baits and methods if i want to carry on picking up regular brown envelops. Claims about science and the best bait ever mean nothing to me. I,ve seen these claims before. However, if a product or bait potentially improves my match results. Then, im not shy in finding out what its all about.

From what i understand Marukyu are the only bait provider in the UK that use a scientific approach regarding their bait so where have you seen it before Trueblue? Would i be right in surmising that any brown envelopes you pick up are local to you? If you are as good as you believe then maybe Marukyu would have approached you before now to be one of their Pro team. It’s quite disingenous to compare plastic to bait or feed. I fail to see the point. Surely a comparison between relevant products makes more sense.

[TF_JohnC]

@toplights wrote:

I read both sides of this argument with interest,your comments are inflametry and uncalled for,Troll some where else.Any farther comments from you wil be ignored.

I wasn’t trolling i was merely stating facts.

[TF_holwell53]

Pete Marlow (marukyu pro team).
won the fisho qualifier today EFG 131 groundbait.
and worm and casters. 🙂 🙂

[TF_Dodge]

@holwell53 wrote:

Pete Marlow (marukyu pro team).
won the fisho qualifier today EFG 131 groundbait.
and worm and casters. 🙂 🙂

Bet he is glad he didnt go down the bronze krilled maggot route then ? 😮 PMSL 😉 😀 😀

[TF_Fishingbaits]

Glad you manage to find it so amusing Dodgey. You make me smile with every post.

[TF_Dodge]

@Fishingbaits wrote:

Glad you manage to find it so amusing Dodgey. You make me smile with every post.

Ive only swore once aswell 😉

Used to have threads like this all the time on here a couple of years ago ……

Maybe they might all come back on here ? 😉 Keep smiling ! 🙂

[TF_kerryd]

I have been watching this thread with great interest
As an angler that fishes through out the year against sponsored Marukyu anglers I have this observation to make.
Nine times out of ten a good angler will beat a lesser angler off the next peg it’s when two good anglers are up against each other that it gets interesting at this point the anglers are looking for an edge over the other and I have witnessed matches were this has happened.
Never being to old to try something different I have used marukyu bait and have found two ground baits that suit the way I want to fish and the krill powder when used as suggested gives me a soft stretched maggot that has given me some good results.
I will not be throwing away my stocks of dynamite baits but on the other hand I have started to build up my stock of Marukyu ground bait ready for the summer league

[TF_Serious Sam]

@bigoldbigbutt wrote:

From what i understand Marukyu are the only bait provider in the UK that use a scientific approach regarding their bait so where have you seen it before Trueblue?

The vast majority of bait sold in the UK is based on pellets produced for fishfarms – are you saying they just randomly throw stuff in their pellets and hope for the best ? ridiculous, they’ve also spent decades refining and testing their products, not only does it have to fatten fish but it also has to be pallatable / attractive to the fish so they want to eat it.

I have tried the MaryQ groundbaits and the JPZ’s at a couple of local venues, both were very disapointing – your mileage may vary . . . .

[Anonymous]

Pete Marlow (marukyu pro team).
won the fisho qualifier today EFG 131 groundbait.
and worm and casters.

Great result for Pete Marlow. Credit where credit is due So, well done, Pete!

Was it the EFG 131 groundbait that made all the difference or was it the casters and worms? How much worm and caster did he feed? Bet it was not 15 casters and 3 worms. Why not marukyu pellets for feed and the hook? I thought JPz pellets are scientificlly tested and are proven fish catchers. So, why the need for casters and worms?

Not read anything in the Japanese angling press about casters and worms being good baits for catching carp. Maybe they are about to reveal the next product called Marukyu casters and worms. Of course, scientifically tested to be better than ordinary caster and worms!

Do you not get the point yet, marukyu? Your offering a full range of claimed scientifically designed and fully tested baits for the UK angler. Why the need for other none marukyu feed and hook baits if marukyu feed and hook baits are scientiically designed and tested to be better than everything else already available on the UK bait market!!! Not once have i read a report where only marukyu baits have been used!

Mr Marukyu, have you found any published match results for me from over the past 3 years? I can think of a few that i know have been published but i dont check the angling press for my match result these days. Its not such a big deal. You asked about my published match results over the last 3 years. That suggests that you do know who i am and know my pubished match results from 3-10 plus years or more ago. My published match results would stand up against most of the better match anglers in the country over the past 10 years but i agree. My names not been in the angling press as much as it use to be. Unpublished match results only suggest that i have picked up brown envelops in matches where the results have not been published. However, I never realised that i had to have loads of published match results to state my opinion based on my experiences as an angler who usually catches more than a few and has done for over 30 years!

Just a point regarding the science behind the marukyu baits. In what science journal have the results been published for scrutiny? For something to be classed as scientific. It needs to be tested and proved beyond doubt that it works every time under scientific conditions. Something that is classed as scientific usually needs to be published or the findings are not excepted as being scientific. It becomes just someones opinion and a marketing ploy to claim to be scientific! So, where is the evidence, please? The only thing close to being classed as being scientific re JPz pellets is that the fish dont seem to like them based on what anglers are stating on here time and time again!

bigoldbigbutt said – From what i understand Marukyu are the only bait provider in the UK that use a scientific approach regarding their bait so where have you seen it before Trueblue? Would i be right in surmising that any brown envelopes you pick up are local to you? If you are as good as you believe then maybe Marukyu would have approached you before now to be one of their Pro team. It’s quite disingenous to compare plastic to bait or feed. I fail to see the point. Surely a comparison between relevant products makes more sense.

Thats a great question bigoldigbutt. I remember a bait additive. Think it was called Albite or something like that. 20 tubes of the stuff for £10. The claim was that £3 million in scientific testing went in to the product. There was a massive advertising campain before it came out. Lots were sold in the short term but was found to be totally useless in helping to catch fish. So, it vanished after a short time in tackle shops. I have read that the same person behind that product is involved with marukyu! Are you seeing a connecton yet?

Not many of my open match wins are local to me, bigoldbigbutt. I get around quite a bit. I have qualified for the all winners festival and Preston festivals at White Acres again this year. Cudmore is 65 miles away from me. Not really local. Although, i was a regular on Cudmore a few years ago and was sponsored by Browning Cudmore. I,ve won on both of those venues in the last 12 months and yes, those results are published i believe, Mr marukyu!, lol

Maybe Marukyu will contact me. Who knows. Expect an honest opinion from me based on my experiences if they want me to use and test there products. Im not knocking all of the products but stating my opinion based on mine and other anglers experences with JPz pellets. Some of the products are interesting and some have plenty of real potential for development. The jury is out on others products in the range. As examples, the jury is still out over krill and its uses. I have not knocked krill on this or any other thread. The paste is very intersting as a basic idea but that needs further playing with and some development. It definately has its uses in quite a few situations that i can think of. I cannot knock the ease of use of the ground baits. Skimmers in particular seems to like the EFG 131 ground bait so much so that those fish seem to push carp out of your swim on some venues. Not sure thats a good thing unless you like catching skimmers, lol. However, im sure there are lots of new and/or different mixes for different types of fishing and in targetting different types of fish. Lets put it this way. As fare as becoming part of the pro team. Im known on this forum for giving an open and honest opinion. If Marukyu realy believe in there products. Who better to say it as it is than me? I would love nothing better than arguing and discussing the plus points to a bait and explaining the finer points behind why a product works. Would like nothing better than to be able to come on here and explain how to make JPz pellets work so others can put more fish on the bank! It might even higher marukyu sales!

Do you not understand what i mean by a stand out bait, bigolgbigbutt? Plastic corn is designed to stand out and be easy for carp to zone in on and attempt to eat. Its especially effective in winter when the water is clear. You dont normally feed to make plastic corn work. The plastic corn just stands out on the bottom or in mid water. In the case of JPz hook pellets. They again aim to stand out but in this case stand out from the feed. The hope is that the carp zone in on the JPz pellet and eat it as it looks attractive and nice to eat. You dont feed them or your hook bait would not then stand out from the other JPz pellets that had been fed in to your swim. In effect, both types of bait rely on standing out and looking attractive rather than being thought of by the carp as something that we could class as a safe food, something that is nice to eat or healthy to eat. Dead maggots would be classed as a safe food that is nice to eat and or healthy. Live maggots are not seen as being a safe food where carp are concerned on most fisheries. Part of the reason why the jury is still out over krilled dead maggots. If carp thought JPz pellets where nice to eat. We would be feeding them and cost would not come in to it. If they where seen as safe. We would be bagging up on them as we are with dead maggots with or without krill. With carp not experiencing eating JPz pellets. How can a carp feel safe eating one? If they have never eaten a JPz pellet. How do they know if they are nice and/or healthy for them to eat? JPz pellets are red with good reason. We know that red seems to stand out and is attractive to feeding carp. So, they stand out in color! Marukyu also claim that they stand out because of the additives which switch the carp in to eating them. The additives are the scientific part i presume? Unfortunately, unless the carp are going nuts in the likes of a margin swim at the end of the day. Most anglers seem to find that the carp dont like the look or taste of them based on what anglers are saying on here. The sad part about the JPz pellets science is that at there most effective. In the margins when its bag up time. The pellet never gets enough time in the water to allow its scientific additives to leak out and switch the carp on to eatng it. Understand now?

[Anonymous]

Serious Sam, Skretting have spent millions on pellet design and is scientifically designed and tested. While there pellets are not produced for angling. Those pellets have been scientifically designed specifically for feeding fish in commercial fish farms. Most of those fish being destined for the dinner table! I believe they are the biggest pellet producer in europe for fish farm consumption.

[TF_Slider]

I dont know what else to say. To be in the presence of an anglers who’s results can stand up against the top anglers in the country over the last 10 years makes me nervous.

I honestly now feel out of my depth PMSL !

Put the crack pipe down Trueblue !!

Did you find out about preysalts or were you too busy picking up brown envelopes ?

[TF_mr marukyu]

Truebue yes its up to me to know who am dealing with,i looked at the last 2years county champs tables(merseyside) and your names not in the top50 never mind the top20 of your county.when your names googled i keep getting a famous footballer not fisherman :rolleyes: :rolleyes: 😀 😀

[TF_scottyp]

i’d say this thread has comfortably confirmed Alex Bones’ recent editorial regarding online forums!!

[TF_Tim_D]

This thread has at times had me in stitches, can’t beat a bit of banter. May it continue.

[Anonymous]

I have to admit I havent been on TF for quite a while, so I’d like to say hi to everyone I know first of all
Anythow, been reading this thread with interest and amazement in some parts
I think what you need to realise with jpz’s is they are different to anythign else, they lookl different, taste different and are therefore as far as fish are concerned, an alien object. Now, if you observed fish, which isnt the same as fishing for them I have to add, you will notice that fish work via associating things, as do most animals. My pond fish know that a pellet looking thing on the surface is food, but they dont make the same relationship between pellet looking things that sink. Why, because I dont feed them sinking pelltes, and theerfore they ignore them in the first instance, they have no association between pellets that sink and food, but they associate pellets that float as being good food. Similarly, if you feed floating pellets in my lakes, they ignore them, again the same reason, noones fishes floaters, and therefore theres no association between floating pellets (or bread come to that) and food, so ignore them
Now comes the point of my reply. IF I throw sinking pellet in the water, they at first ignore them as they have no association with them, but sooner or later (and this may be smell related) they give them a whirl. They have no hands (and thats an important point) so the only way they can examine them is to pick them up in their mouth and TEST for edibleness. I often see carp mouthing twigs, its the same thing, they test them for edibleness.
Now, apologies for the long protracted speel, but bringing this back to MAryku, fish in most waters have no association with JPZ’s, they are, as mentioned earlier, an alien thing. When a fish see them, they will pick them up to examine them for edibility. Being soft and tasting nice (I guess) they will then try to eat them, and as a result, be hooked.
But, and this is a big but, and is real science, the important part is what Ive said all the way through here, fish feed and act by association, that is an absolute fact that you can prove to yourself by observing fish, and I ask you this question. JPZ’s, by their very nature of being expensive are only going to be used as a hook pellet. How many times will a fish pick up a jpz and be hooked before it associates being JPZ’s with being hooked and conciously ignores them??
You can talk about science till your blue in the face, but the truth is however much fish like the taste, they will not do something that they associate with danger. You could argue that the same happens withs pellets, corn, etc, but the truth is they get to eat lots of freebies too, hence why some carp (as demonstrated in the underwater videos) test rigs. They know there may be ahook so test a rig to see if its dangerous, or its safe to eat the bait.
With jpz’s, no need to taste, a jpz=a hook so they will after a few time sof being hooked and learning by association that they’re dangerous, will ignore them
Association is by far the higher science when it comes to baits, and that is a fact

[TF_Smed]

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What he said!
probebly the only post that makes sense!

[TF_Dodge]

Wow its still going strong 😮 😀

Any Roach been seen in Japan yet ? :rolleyes: 😀 :rolleyes: 😀

[Anonymous]

100% correct, pebisit.

slider, why would i need to research preysalts?

Dodge, your a star.

Mr Marukyu, im not surprized that im not in the top 50 in the merseyside county champs league. I,ve probably fished less than a dozen matches on Merseyside in the last 2 years where the results have been published and my name in any case has never been in the Merseyside league as fare as i am aware. It was in 2 different leagues at one time. That does make me smile. Either way. Without fishing open matches where the results are published in the Angling Times. Its unlikely that my name would be in any league. I know what you mean re the google search for me but i do know where to look, lol

Not sure why your questioning my open match results before being able state an honest opinion on an open angling forum like this. I,ve not slagged off all the maruyu products. I have however questioned some of Marukyu,s claims and attempted to explain how some of there product work or dont work based on my experience with the products and based on my experiences as a match angler for more than 30 years.

If you want to know what quality of angler i am. You could always invite me to the Glebe or any other fishery and see for yourself. I believe that im more than able to catch a few fish. You could also ask me in a pm or e-mail for my contact phone number if you feel that you want to chat. You could even ask for a copy of my angling CV. This is an open angling forum remember. If you want anglers who are interested in stating an honest and open opinion. Then, maybe its time you looked further than the published match results to get the marukyu message out there. If you believe in Marukyu baits and the way they work. Then, maybe its time you gave me a call.

[TF_holwell53]

Pebisit.
quote,

You can talk about science till your blue in the face, but the truth is however much fish like the taste, they will not do something that they associate with danger. You could argue that the same happens withs pellets, corn, etc, but the truth is they get to eat lots of freebies too, hence why some carp (as demonstrated in the underwater videos) test rigs. They know there may be ahook so test a rig to see if its dangerous, or its safe to eat the bait.
With jpz’s, no need to taste, a jpz=a hook so they will after a few time sof being hooked and learning by association that they’re dangerous, will ignore them
Association is by far the higher science when it comes to baits, and that is a fact

If thats the case why do maggots catch fish .
anglers have been using them for decades.

[TF_Swimfeeder]

Hi Pebs, I hope you are well?,

I would like to point out a fact or two about food association and fish, as you know where I live, the Norfolk Broads for those that don’t know, the rivers are full of wild fish, these fish are mostly fished for in the summer months, about 12 to 14 weeks in most cases, then they are left largely unmolested to forage for food for the remainder of the year, now, come the start of the coarse fishing season large weights of fish, Roach and Bream are caught, not after a couple of weeks or so, but straight away, these fish have not seen an anglers bait for months and months and in some cases NEVER, yet they are caught in large numbers on alien food to them, such as casters,corn and maggots, these are facts Pebs……can you please explain what exactly they are associating with these baits???

PS, good to hear from you,
Regards Bob.

[TF_toplights]

Time and Anglers wallets will be the true test.The jury is out.As for me, i’l be saving my pension.

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

Hookbaits and feed baits,groundbaits,pellets etc are 2 completely different topics altogether.
a hookbait is in the water for however long it takes to get a bite,which could be seconds or hours.your feedbait is in the water for a period,both attracting,feeding/holding the fish in your swim.a fish could pick up your hookbait first of all,or after eating several samples first,or even a different feed altogether.fish do not always have time to associate baits with danger or having a hook in them,shallow fishing with pellets for example which is a hit and run tactic for the fish with a noise factor for attraction.the sign of any good foodbait is when fish eat it and come back for more,sometimes being caught twice in a session where carp are concerned.

advertising also plays a big part with any product sale.so users could have tested the product before sponsorship,or just been offered a deal without trying it first.money also is a big player in such things,but remember that the saying,i would not use anything that was no good,even if i was paid to,is also complete bull in some cases,as many who are caught using items they have not endorsed,or been sponsored by have been found out on in the past

[TF_Gavin]

@holwell53 wrote:

If thats the case why do maggots catch fish .
anglers have been using them for decades.

Because they don’t get hooked everytime they eat a maggot. Everytime they eat a JPz, it has a hook in it. I’m sure that’s what Pebs is getting at!

[TF_Fred Davis]

Swimfeeder I have heard it all now maggots worms and caster;s alien baits, insects drop in to the water all the time as does there larvae, also the worms that go in after a lot of rain no wonder the top bait at marsh farm was worm the other week after all the rain weve had, it’s a no brainer mt8 :rolleyes:

Hi Pebs nice to see you posting again, hope you are keeping well, as you are well aware and I have often heard what you always chanted “fish what you feed”, very sound advice in my opinion, if you arn’t sacking then by all means ring the changes, then maybe the JPZ’s will surprise you then again maybe not lol 😉 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

mind you the tackle tarts amongst you could always by JPz’s buy the shedful/jarloads to feed as well !!!!! 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

[Anonymous]

Exactly Gavin 🙂
Thing is maggots and casters have been fed for generations and so are seen as a natural bait … The fish associate them with food. Now and again, they have a hook in, but most of the time not.
Fish, like any other animals, learn .. They do this by association. D you think mr carp mouths a twig because it wants to play with it .. It tries an alien object to test for edibleness .. It’s that simple, carp are eating machines, hillbilly used to call them pigs with fins .. But their not stupid, stupid behaviour results in death in the wild, so there’s natural caution, the cautious ones live, the daft ones don’t. You even see that in commies like mine .. There’s always predators like herons, and if the fish are daft they die .. Simple as
Now, why do you think that any fish will continue to eat a bait that is guaranteed to contain a hook like a jpz .. You’d have to be a very stupid fish.
It will try it once, maybe twice but will learn not t eat It very quickly
If I wandered down to my pond now, my fish would be at my feet within seconds because they associate my shadow with food .. They know what’s coming .. Same as my dog knows its food time when I say ‘on your bed’
Animals learn quickly and survive, or don’t and perish .. It’s the natural world! Maybe not for the dog though … Lol

By the way, nice to see you both still here, bob and Fred 🙂

[Anonymous]

Oh, and as for other maryku products .. And baits as a whole
I’m not a total believer in flavourings, especially in mercials and especially in the summer .. Reason being is in a heavily stocked mercial there is a rush to eat food before the next fish does, and there is also an abundance of food, with lots of different flavourings all being dissolved in the water .. Now I’ve seen a carp swim 6 inches past heavily flavoured food and not ‘smeell’ it . I think a lot of flavours in a small area like a mercial makes flavouring pretty much redundant .. If I put several of those smelly stick things that you light in a room, you’d struggle to separate one from the other .. Same idea IMO for fish
Personally, I think fish attract other fish .. If you can get a fish feeding, then other fish will see that and come and have a look, then small fish attract bigger fish and the game moves on … That’s why I always want to feed a shallow swim for a while before fishing it
Note, in the winter and on huge lakes with small stockings, I’m sure flavourings do make a difference, but on mercials, I think it’s more about the way bait behaves than he smell it gives off .. That’s my opinion of course, but it forms the basis for my fishing

[TF_holwell53]

how many match anglers use boilies as a hookbait.
plenty of fish caught on them.
dont often hear of match anglers feeding them.

[Anonymous]

Holwell, im sure carp are educated enough to know that boilies put in the water by match anglers are hooked, and those by speci boys may not be .. Point is, lots of speci boys feed lots of boilies ..
You dnt have to believe me, but if you do have fish in a pond, or even a tank, try association out, and see what you find out .. It’s a fact, there’s loads of experiments to back it up, there’s even some standard tests hat schools do relating to colours ,goldfish and food, ie one colour means food, another not and the fish do learn by association

[TF_Swimfeeder]

Fred Davis wrote:

Swimfeeder I have heard it all now maggots worms and caster;s alien baits, insects drop in to the water all the time as does there larvae, also the worms that go in after a lot of rain no wonder the top bait at marsh farm was worm the other week after all the rain weve had, it’s a no brainer mt8 :rolleyes:

I think you must be “hearing ” things Fred, I did not list worms, corn does not drop in the water though, not round here anyway, I would be mightily obliged if you would show me where I can get half a gallon of maggots and casters for free from a river near me, it would save me a fortune 🙂 we (anglers) have to pay for them round here and then chuck em in for the fish to eat, could be we are just daft in Norfolk though????

[TF_Swimfeeder]

By the way, nice to see you both still here, bob and Fred :)[/quote]

Always been here Pebs…………………….. everyone else buggered off 😀

[TF_Fred Davis]

swimfeeder any sort of grub that falls or is washed into a river or lake is a natural bait banks erode and if you take a wasps nest as an example all of a sudden theres a gallon of grubs gone in, even I can remember stories of dead animal carcusis rotting at the waters edge produce a natural larder for fish, as for corn, maize and wheat from fields and farms plenty of them in norfolk people on boats slinging there rubbish or food scrappings in, a lot of anglers forget that stewed wheat was a fantastic bait for big roach and other course fish(more than like still is) but is not a fashionable bait today. however one thing is certain a JPZ has Never been seen by most fish

[TF_billy the squidParticipant]

what is jpz an abbreviation for?

[Anonymous]

holwell53 said – If thats the case why do maggots catch fish .
anglers have been using them for decades.

Have you ever tried to catch carp on live maggots? You will struggle to catch more than one or two carp on most commercials. Use dead maggots and you have a potential winning method from the same swim. The reason for this is because live maggots are seen as not being a safe food. Once dead. Maggots become seen as a safe food for carp. Just to add on this point. Dead maggot was becoming one of the best kept secrets for bagging up with carp on many of our commercials. Out came krill and dead red maggots and maggot became a match winning method for the first time in decades according to the promo Marukyu video for krill powder! As to if krill makes dead maggots a better bait. Im unsure. Have match weights improved on venues where the method was scoring before krill came out. I think not in most cases!

Some of the speci boys have found that washed out boilies are fare more productive than normal or highly flavioured or highly colored boilies for the very same reason!

[Anonymous]

To add to that, upto recently, Roy Marlow was an active ‘gatherer’ of old smelly casters. Don’t know if he still does it but the reasoning behind it was as per dead maggots, something that stinks and is obviously not fresh would not be associated so readily by the fish as being dangerous …

[Anonymous]

@billy the squid wrote:

what is jpz an abbreviation for?

Japs Pilfering Ze-englishmen

[TF_wightangler]

When all said and done
– JPZ’s are really merely an alternative type of fishmeal based soft pellet.

Which is probably why they work when fished in conjunction with pellets or fishmeal fed.
So there’s the ‘like for like’ comparison rather than inaccurately with plastic baits or ‘naturals’ ,
given most fish are raised to them, then fish are more likely to have seen pellets of some kind than casters, corn ,etc -though i have seen a few squatt sized maggots on tree roots in a lake.
Natural -if defined as non-man made or bred – might really only mean bloodworm/joker with the occasional flood washed lobworm, yet fish will grab at maggots even in a very rarely fished river.
Groundbait itself – could hardly be described as natural unless you mean leam or earth by same token.

[TF_Gavin]

@psb182 wrote:

@billy the squid wrote:

what is jpz an abbreviation for?

Japs Pilfering Ze-englishmen

😀 😀 😀

[Anonymous]

mind you its interesting to see the results of the whiteacres marukyu rover posted by geepster earlier on!

match rule no. 1

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no marakyu baits allowed?

[Anonymous]

lol

[TF_Slider]

@TrueBlue wrote:

holwell53 said – If thats the case why do maggots catch fish .
anglers have been using them for decades.

Have you ever tried to catch carp on live maggots? You will struggle to catch more than one or two carp on most commercials. Use dead maggots and you have a potential winning method from the same swim. The reason for this is because live maggots are seen as not being a safe food. Once dead. Maggots become seen as a safe food for carp. Just to add on this point. Dead maggot was becoming one of the best kept secrets for bagging up with carp on many of our commercials. Out came krill and dead red maggots and maggot became a match winning method for the first time in decades according to the promo Marukyu video for krill powder! As to if krill makes dead maggots a better bait. Im unsure. Have match weights improved on venues where the method was scoring before krill came out. I think not in most cases!

Some of the speci boys have found that washed out boilies are fare more productive than normal or highly flavioured or highly colored boilies for the very same reason!

More nonsense !!

Have I ever tried to catch carp on live Maggots ? Hmmm ive got some pretty good match results ( that were in the public domain ) and a fishery match record to prove that live maggots catch carp !!

There is one simple benefit between a live and dead maggot, the dead maggot cant crawl away or bury itself in silt, it really is that simple !

[TF_Tim_D]

I’ve taken the plunge and forked out for some JPZ pellets to use this weekend. At least they wont make me any worse an angler because that’s not possible. lol :p

[TF_steve r]

I’ve always said it’s ‘Horses for Courses’ and people will come to their own conclusions regarding any new bait but I do have three observations to make:

1] Someone commented about live maggots not catching Carp. When Theale Pit was at it’s peak as one of the first bagup Carp match waters you didn’t turn up with less than a gallon of maggot if you wanted to compete and any dead maggots were riddled off and thrown away !

2] Why is it that any serious discussion on here and other sites has to turn into personal conflict and name calling ? Are we unable to discuss things sensibly any more or has the anonimity of being a keyboard warrior suddenly made people very brave in their views ?

3] If Maryuku’s Krill baits are no good as some would suggest how come Sonubaits have just spent thousands of pounds designing and promoting their new range of Krill baits ? Are they just jumping on the bandwagon and spending all that money just to catch anglers or do they honestly believe that their new bait range is beneficial to anglers ?

[Anonymous]

Slider, i said on most commercials. With in angling we always get exceptons. As a general rule you will struggle to catch more than a few carp on live maggots on most commerial venues. Live maggots did produce loads of big match winning weights in the early days on lots of commercials. I have also fished quite a few venues over the yeas with new stocks of carp. Live maggot on those venues often produce good resuts for a while. I would suggest that it is more about association rather than dead maggots just being easier to see. Remember we are talking about highly stocked commercial venues where it does not take very long for any regularly fed bait to be found on a lot of pegs.

[TF_kid_a]

@steve r wrote:

I’ve always said it’s ‘Horses for Courses’ and people will come to their own conclusions regarding any new bait but I do have three observations to make:

1] Someone commented about live maggots not catching Carp. When Theale Pit was at it’s peak as one of the first bagup Carp match waters you didn’t turn up with less than a gallon of maggot if you wanted to compete and any dead maggots were riddled off and thrown away !

2] Why is it that any serious discussion on here and other sites has to turn into personal conflict and name calling ? Are we unable to discuss things sensibly any more or has the anonimity of being a keyboard warrior suddenly made people very brave in their views ?

3] If Maryuku’s Krill baits are no good as some would suggest how come Sonubaits have just spent thousands of pounds designing and promoting their new range of Krill baits ? Are they just jumping on the bandwagon and spending all that money just to catch anglers or do they honestly believe that their new bait range is beneficial to anglers ?

There is only one reason sonubaits will have done that is because they have seen the potential to make money in selling these baits it has nothing to do with whether it is beneficial to the angler.

[Anonymous]

steve r, it was in the early days on that venue. As tme went on. Live maggots would not produce the goods and other baits and methods took over. It was the same on many commercial venues. Im sure that the same live maggot approach would produce some very big bags of commercial carp where maggots are never/hadly ever used. It still works on new venues!

Agree with your second point. I never take things personally. Its a discussion and not an argument to the death!

Agree with kid-a on your final point, steve r. Krill has gained lots of followers to add to maggots, pellets and other hook baits. If thats what sells. Then, other bait producers will jump on that band waggon to improve or maintain there own sales. One things for sure. Sonubaits have not done there own science before deciding to add krill to there new products.

[TF_holwell53]

hen all said and done
– JPZ’s are really merely an alternative type of fishmeal based soft pellet.

Which is probably why they work when fished in conjunction with pellets or fishmeal fed.
So there’s the ‘like for like’ comparison rather than inaccurately with plastic baits or ‘naturals’ ,
given most fish are raised to them, then fish are more likely to have seen pellets of some kind than casters, corn ,etc -though i have seen a few squatt sized maggots on tree roots in a lake.
Natural -if defined as non-man made or bred – might really only mean bloodworm/joker with the occasional flood washed lobworm, yet fish will grab at maggots even in a very rarely fished river.
Groundbait itself – could hardly be described as natural unless you mean leam or earth by same token.
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wightangler
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More nonsense.
Wightangler have you ever seen a JPZ.
To desribe them as a fishmeal type pellet . when they are made from Jelly.
I bet have of the posters on here have never used Marukyu products.

[Anonymous]

Think wrightangler is getting mixed up with the jelly pellet thread that is active at the moment on the forum. Or he is thinking about how some of us made are own jelly pellets that included adding fishmeal a few years ago. As you say, holwell53. There is no fishmeal in marukyu JPz pellets so no assocation between the two types of jelly pellets.

[deano1Participant]

I can`t catch fook all on Live or Dead maggots what am i doing wrong?

I can catch at the glebe fishing 4 bits of hair-rigged corn on my feeder (in winter)and fill my feeder up with cement..I can chuck it all over the place and it will go round :confused:

But i just can`t catch anything on krilled dead or alive maggots 😡

What am i doing wrong :confused:

[TF_wightangler]

Howell posted;
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More nonsense.
Wightangler have you ever seen a JPZ.
To desribe them as a fishmeal type pellet . when they are made from Jelly.’

Yes- mate – I have 4 jars of the 6mm’s and caught a few fish on them(skimmers mainly) (2 jars nearly gone) since last autumn.
To me they are just a different type soft pellet stored in alcohol and nothing else- which is why they work. By the way – one of the older jars they have lost alcohol by being left open and gone a reddy grey and now about 4mm but still catch fish- last match to be precise.
Ok so they are made of krill – ( a specific type of fishmeal) but they are still a soft pellet – or are you saying that they are something else?
I’ve actually tried to be constructive – (and was one of the iow lot that kept asking Tim Oatley of Rookley to stock them locally along with Mary Q) – which no doubt Holwell will say i have’nt seen or used!,
but if you want to pretend that they are somehow not a soft pellet and something completely different- when a couple of other manufacturers have brought out imitations like FP1 please feel free !!

[TF_wightangler]

Trueblue – i have’nt got mixed up with the jelly pellet thread and yes i make my own using Oetakers gelatine and made up the way Matt Hall advocated in M/F a couple of years back.
I occasionally have used a liguid additive in the water before pumping – but honestly think its the fishmeal the fish want – so why mask it?

I personally think the JPZ’s are just a different krill based (ie fishmeal of a specific kind) type of soft pellet and fish them exactly the same way and as a change bait to my own ‘jellied’ soft pellets(ringers N/Gen or C/Water expanders.
This has worked for me – but apparently – jpz’s aren’t a soft pellet type so i must be doing it all wrong – which obviously the fish i caught using it must have been wrong as well -pmsl

[TF_holwell53]

Deano .
take some to the tf festival and i will put you right /
Rich

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@holwell53 wrote:

Deano .
take some to the tf festival and i will put you right /
Rich

Dont think deans pint will last long rich lol 😮

[TF_wightangler]

yes remember they are’nt pellets even though they resemble them – and you can feed pellets and use other hooker jelly pellets with them.

[TF_jammy1976]

Try soaking them in caffrey’s deano :p

[Anonymous]

Deano, your gunna need at least 3 pints of dead maggots and 5 pints would be much better. Add krill if you believe in it but on other venues. Krill is not the difference between catching or not. Basic method is to feed heavy at the start of the match until you over feed the silvers and get some carp in to your swim. Once the carp settle and get grubbing around on those dead maggots you will find that you need to feed less maggots to keep the carp in your swim and feeding. Dont use 1 maggot on the hook. Use 3, 4 or even 5 dead maggots on the hook so your hook bait stands out from the other maggots in your swim. Basic idea is if you catch a silver fish on maggot the deck. Give the swim even more feed. We are talking big pots of maggots. Not 20 maggots in a little pot. However, once the carp are feeding properly. 20 maggots on some days is enough between bites to keep the carp coming!

Wghtangler, i think the issue over what you said about JPz pellets and fishmeal is that JPz pellets dont have fishmeal in them. In the marykyu world. Fishmeal is a bad word and is bad for fish.

[TF_Fishingbaits]

A few articles on Krilled maggots and JPZ below, for anyone interested

http://fishingbaits.biz/news/fishing-with-krilled-maggots/

http://fishingbaits.biz/news/discover-how-top-match-anglers-are-winning-with-krilled-maggots/

http://fishingbaits.biz/fishing-guides.php

[TF_Gavin]

@wightangler wrote:

yes remember they are’nt pellets even though they resemble them – and you can feed pellets and use other hooker jelly pellets with them.

And the fact it says pellets on the jar!

[TF_wightangler]

Thanks Fishingbaits.biz,
so they’re a soft pellet made of ;
.’polysaccharide science,… but the exact make-up of the bait must remain secret. The first product is known as EBI, a naturally salty, pink formulation that is composed from multiple ingredients, including huge numbers of minute, marine crustaceans that are highly attractive to fish. ‘

so they are a type of pellet made of a secret type of starch, salt and marine micro-shrimp – not fishmeal which i inaccurately presumed. The fact remains, is that they are called pellets in their own literature and are soft.

– so therefore i should have accurately stated they are a polysaccaride/EBI composed non fishmeal soft pellet when compared ‘like for like’ with pellets -rather than with other baits -‘natural’ or artificial,
– which was the point of the post in relation to the thread and bait comparison to be made.
‘

[Anonymous]

@pebisit wrote:

To add to that, upto recently, Roy Marlow was an active ‘gatherer’ of old smelly casters. Don’t know if he still does it but the reasoning behind it was as per dead maggots, something that stinks and is obviously not fresh would not be associated so readily by the fish as being dangerous …

He’s barking up the wrong tree there, you try fishing with rotten casters, you wont get a bite if you have fed any

[TF_steve r]

“psb182 wrote:

He’s barking up the wrong tree there, you try fishing with rotten casters, you wont get a bite if you have fed any

Well Roy has been barking up the wrong tree for many years at the Glebe with stinking casters and has picked up more times than I’ll ever do so he can’t be that wrong ! Mind you we are talking proper stinking not that just gone off sour smell, but what smells bad to us might smell like food heaven to the fish 😉

[TF_wightangler]

it’s interesting that if you look at coarse fish biology sites a common food item for bream particularly and carp is ‘ detritus‘ – which constitutes rooting organic matter -plant and animal – then there’s anaerobic bacteria within that process.

So that would correspond perhaps to the rotting casters tactic.
I discovered last summer – by accident and fridge disaster – that those stretched stinking mushy worms -that you usually chuck away – are wonderful for big skimmers when fed with casters/soil and live’ healthy'(if chopped halves and pieces could be so described relatively) as hookers- mind you, (on one match -when my fox barrow and all my bait slipped into the margin to much hilarity) – i had to use those ‘non–fishmeal ‘ jpz pellets instead as that was all i had left- they nevertheless still caught fish -though i’d have caught on worm, expanders, caster just as well on the day if i’d had some left!
The ‘grey’ shrunken jpz’s also look a bit manky but still work! lol
How often have you fed really ‘rank’ hemp or sun ‘ripe’ dead maggots on a throwaway line and caught there ater on.
Watching carp rummage through seeded manure for redworms also points to exactly what is ‘fresh’ to fish side topic
Obviously, there must be a water quality issue involved and can’t imagine many fishery owners being happy with copious amounts of ‘detritus’ liberally deposited though..

[TF_wightangler]

notice jpzs now have another new competitor from willis worms as well as FP1’s;

https://www.total-fishing.com/fishing-news/new-willy-worms-pro-pellet

[TF_Dodge]

As this thread started out about catching roach and now inevitably has “shifted” to puddle pigs i have lost interest as 90% of my matchfishing is based on natural venues …….. canals mostly plus lakes and the odd river here and there (Div 1 on Bristol Avon this year).
Only the freshest best bait and good presentation will do for roach ……. skimmers, bream and tench arent so fussy 😉

As has already been said in this thread the better anglers will always do well as they will be confident in everything they do in any situation in any match ……… confidence in any sport is key to success 😉 if a “new” bait comes along and gives an angler confidence that can only be good for both the angler and the product, the way Maryuku is shamelessly marketed on forums gets endless anglers backs up but we all know that is how they want it touted as it is in the “domain” ……. or maybe they are rubbish at advertising ? LOL 😀 😀

Finally anyone trying to make a living from our great sport will always get my respect and good luck to them .

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@psb182 wrote:

@pebisit wrote:

To add to that, upto recently, Roy Marlow was an active ‘gatherer’ of old smelly casters. Don’t know if he still does it but the reasoning behind it was as per dead maggots, something that stinks and is obviously not fresh would not be associated so readily by the fish as being dangerous …

He’s barking up the wrong tree there, you try fishing with rotten casters, you wont get a bite if you have fed any

dont bet on it !!

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