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[tunnel topper]

in a week that the gvt. has said that the nhs has got to get things right not just hit targets.
mrs.tt has had another operation, 5th this year.
she came out of theatre ok.- the most important thing, with a morphine pump.
on the ward a dr. kept telling her that she did not need that kind of painkiller.
3 days later it was removed and she was perscribed a painkiller that she is allergic too. it is on her notes.

nice to see nothing has changed. (sarcastic comment)

merry christmas everyone.

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

Which hospital mate?

Hope your Mrs is on the way to recovery

[mo-can do]

Five operations this year…. At an average cost of £3500…

Think your quids in mate…. Imagine if you had to pay
Or even just 50% as in other parts of world.

Our doctors and nurses are very good at there jobs…

I think for the money we pay, the NHS is a very good deal.

Hope your wife is on the mend and has a good Christmas.

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

Steve…..I hope you and yours have a great Xmas mate.I admire your stregnth in adversity so very much.Take care fella.

[TF_dirkdiggler]

what you need to remember is the nhs is a business ( and a very badly run one at that )
the doctor who had probably been on a rediculously long shift was trying to save money by putting your wife on a cheaper drug to keep within budget.
my wife has worked in critical care for 20 years and during that time she has gone from having one manager to eight.
while nurses have been leaving in droves all the while as it is now rightly regarded as a crap job.
unfortunately the people who need to go are the people who do all the managerial type work and the hiring and firing and they’re hardly likely to start with themselves are they?
privatise the whole bloody lot i say.

btw hope your mrs has a full recovery.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

@dd

“unfortunately the people who need to go are the people who do all the managerial type work and the hiring and firing and they’re hardly likely to start with themselves are they?”

Exactly.

Just like the councils.

Best wishes to you and your wife Steve.

[TF_craigo]

Highly unlikely that the medic performing surgery would be working long hours – contrary to belief it is (or was) junior Dr’s that used to get long hours – not consultants and surgeons. The european working directive now means that junior medics are only allowed to work 48hrs a week thus putting increased pressure on NHS services. Although on the other hand, when you consider that the majority of senior medics earn at least 80k per year (basic salary), I’m sure you can appreciate the financial burden medics place on NHS resources (although you could argue that they are worthy of the high salary).

The reason there’s so many changes in management and NHS structure is due to the government continuously changing targets to improve standards of care – all good and well except they dont provide increased funds to do so. You will see massive changes in all your local health services over the next 1-3yrs as they again struggle to maintain standards year after year despite having budgets cut – so without NHS managers in place to rethink how they can again change services on the cheap to ensure you can still get the same standard of care, we’d be in a bit of a sorry state.

Hope your mrs gets better TT.

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

@craigo wrote:

Highly unlikely that the medic performing surgery would be working long hours – contrary to belief it is (or was) junior Dr’s that used to get long hours – not consultants and surgeons. The european working directive now means that junior medics are only allowed to work 48hrs a week thus putting increased pressure on NHS services. Although on the other hand, when you consider that the majority of senior medics earn at least 80k per year (basic salary), I’m sure you can appreciate the financial burden medics place on NHS resources (although you could argue that they are worthy of the high salary).

The reason there’s so many changes in management and NHS structure is due to the government continuously changing targets to improve standards of care – all good and well except they dont provide increased funds to do so. You will see massive changes in all your local health services over the next 1-3yrs as they again struggle to maintain standards year after year despite having budgets cut – so without NHS managers in place to rethink how they can again change services on the cheap to ensure you can still get the same standard of care, we’d be in a bit of a sorry state.

Hope your mrs gets better TT.

Excellent post

My Mrs (High Dependency/Acute Case Children’s Nurse) blames poor management and Government targets forcing Hospitals to focus largely financially / effort wise into meeting targets. Patients / Wards etc not relevant to targets often suffer.

I was interested to know where the thread creators Mrs was being treated as there have been some infamous Trust / Hospitals in 2010

[TF_D.W.]

Don’t get me started on the NHS….. Absolutely useless……

Morphine is one of the cheapest prescription only drugs believe it or not! A 300ml bottle of Oramorph costs the NHS under £2 (I see the cost on my GP’s screen when they prescribe it to me every week). The slow release Morphine tablets are even cheaper (60mg tablets) per 100!!!! The main reason that they don’t like to use a lot of morphine is due to the addictive nature and side effects that the drug can give. Even if the morphine doesn’t work, you cannot just stop taking it, but step down dosages until you are are on bare minimum, else you end up clucking like a Heroin addict wanting a fix!! Not pleasant believe me as I ignored docs warnings, and just stopped taking it, yet 24 hours later, I was hot & cold sweats, shaking, more irritable than normal & feeling like I was going to just explode. After speaking to GP, and taking a single teaspoon of Oramorph, I was back to how I was within a few minutes, and when it was time to take timed dose of tablets, I took them without thinking. With a Morphine pump, the drug is put straight in to the body, so the doc should have known that if your wife had been on it for a few days, that she should not be taken straight off of it without any sort of substitute to stop any withdrawal effects.

[MadScientist]

I saw this post yesterday and didn’t respond. But I will now for a balance. My father passed away in july from complications due to acute myeloid leukaemia. You don’t die from AML, you die from the chest infection or whatever else infection you get. The doctors and nurses that treated him were absolutely critical to giving us an extra 12 months with him. I know the NHS is easy to knock. But hey, they also get it right a hell of a lot of the time – and as usual we don’t hear when things go right. Look at the number of patients and the fact that there is a ‘walk off the street and be treated’ service. Yes, there are too many managers and this is the same for all govt depts (i work in one). But also look across the board and what they provide -I travel the world and I would still not want to fall down in the street in many counties I visit….

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

@MadScientist wrote:

I saw this post yesterday and didn’t respond. But I will now for a balance. My father passed away in july from complications due to acute myeloid leukaemia. You don’t die from AML, you die from the chest infection or whatever else infection you get. The doctors and nurses that treated him were absolutely critical to giving us an extra 12 months with him. I know the NHS is easy to knock. But hey, they also get it right a hell of a lot of the time – and as usual we don’t hear when things go right. Look at the number of patients and the fact that there is a ‘walk off the street and be treated’ service. Yes, there are too many managers and this is the same for all govt depts (i work in one). But also look across the board and what they provide -I travel the world and I would still not want to fall down in the street in many counties I visit….

~clap ~clap Another excellent post. Much to the dismay of Rob 😉

[TF_caster robParticipant]

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

@MadScientist wrote:

I saw this post yesterday and didn’t respond. But I will now for a balance. My father passed away in july from complications due to acute myeloid leukaemia. You don’t die from AML, you die from the chest infection or whatever else infection you get. The doctors and nurses that treated him were absolutely critical to giving us an extra 12 months with him. I know the NHS is easy to knock. But hey, they also get it right a hell of a lot of the time – and as usual we don’t hear when things go right. Look at the number of patients and the fact that there is a ‘walk off the street and be treated’ service. Yes, there are too many managers and this is the same for all govt depts (i work in one). But also look across the board and what they provide -I travel the world and I would still not want to fall down in the street in many counties I visit….

~clap ~clap Another excellent post. Much to the dismay of Rob ]

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[TF_NW Cut Angler]

He supported a public sector NHS rob 😉

[TF_wightangler]

instead of knocking our marvellous NHS- now facing real cuts (first by no annual increase since 1949) and stealth privatisation by both Lansley & Pickles impractical ideologically driven ‘freemarket’ of competing fundiong LA and LEP areas, why not just go and move to profit and private orintated health ‘care’ USA?

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

My wife works in the back office for the NHS, her department was reduced by 20% in 2008 and now a further 25% in early 2011, her work’s changed dramatically in that she does about 4 jobs all at about 25% quality.

No wonder we have problems.

I hope Mrs.TT care is improved.

[TF_feeder]

before my wife past away she was pa to the second in command at the hospital and she was so disgusted with the way the upper management threw away money.my daughter is a nurse and she has at times been the only trained nurse on her ward with 32 beds.also she has been asked to do the drug round on the ward next door because they have no trained nurse on that ward.get rid of the suits and pay the proper people doing the job better.

[TF_feeder]

ps sorry hope missus is doing well tt.

[TF_craigo]

You can’t have a ward open without any qualified staff – it’s against the law.

If this is the case, and your daughter is qualified, she should be whistle blowing

Perhaps there was just no qaulified available?

For those of you who think nursing is no longer a desired profession – heres the NHS pay scales – nurses start on band 5 as qualified and a senior nurse of say sister/ward manager can be paid up to band 8a – not too bad for standard 37.5hrs

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=766

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

What is your experience of Sisters’ Craig. They get paid a very good salary but do they do enough?

[TF_dirkdiggler]

my wife is a band 6 intensive care sister on night duty in charge.
do you really think £34,000 is a decent salary for someone who is more than capable of saving peoples lives and keeping critically ill patients alive in a pressure cooker environment where the slightest mistake could see someone dead?

i think you need to have a word with yourself

[TF_DaveD]

I can see this from both sides….when we had our first child 3 years ago, there were complications with the birth and the hospital were absolutley brilliant both before and after the baby was born. We couldn’t speak highly enough of the hospital and thanked everbody involved in every way possible…

With our second child born in August, the same hospital has been absolutley useless. There is a history of Hip problems within my family and when both children were born, this was flagged as a “risk” and although our first child was assessd straight away, it took the hospital 14 weeks to assess our second.

My first child was given the all clear at just 5 days old, my second child unfortunatley has a dislocated hip. This is despite us requesting a scan on 4 separate occasions.

I can understand hospitals being stretched and oversights do happen (it happens all the time at my place when things are busy)…my issue is that an oversight should only happen once…and then learned from…especially when childrens lives and health are at risk. The hospital did not respond to the Risk Assessment and we have had to now ask for scans on 4 separate occasions.

If this had been picked up in the first 6 weeks, it is a relatively simple procedure to correct the dislocation by use of a harness…it is now likely that she will need 2 or 3 hip operations with pins and plates and her ability to grow and progress as a normal child will suffer as a result. This will inevitably cost the NHS more in the long run as by being under-resoucred at the outset, they will now have to expend more resource over a longer duration…cutting corners does not cut costs!!!

We have received apologies form the hospital explaining that “due to government spending cuts” they were over-stretched and our child was born during a systems upgrade and staff restructure…if this was the case, they shouldn’t have been allowed to operate as a normal hospital.

Instead of cuts to the NHS, Police, Education etc. the government should be looking to pump as much time money and resource into all of our services as possible…instead of bailing out overseas neighbours and supporting the influx of immigrants which are looking to milk our system dry and then take all they have recieved back to their homeland, again, to ultimatley benefit our “overseas neighbours”…

Rant Over…hope the Mrs gets better soon TT

[TF_feeder]

well put dirkdiggler.

[TF_feeder]

craigo yer right blow the whistle.have you seen the poor souls sitting at home after doing that.stiched up and no job.they dont get the support they should and are then thrown on the heap.

[TF_Chris OwenParticipant]

This year I have had 2 lots of surgery for cancer and a total hip replacement.
My treatment and care in hospital were excellant, I could not have wished for better on the NHS.
When you see the hours the nurses and doctors do I think they do a brilliant job.

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

@dirkdiggler wrote:

my wife is a band 6 intensive care sister on night duty in charge.
do you really think £34,000 is a decent salary for someone who is more than capable of saving peoples lives and keeping critically ill patients alive in a pressure cooker environment where the slightest mistake could see someone dead?

i think you need to have a word with yourself

Dirk if she is working full time and on nights then I am sorry but you are telling us porkies or somebody is

[TF_dirkdiggler]

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

@dirkdiggler wrote:

my wife is a band 6 intensive care sister on night duty in charge.
do you really think £34,000 is a decent salary for someone who is more than capable of saving peoples lives and keeping critically ill patients alive in a pressure cooker environment where the slightest mistake could see someone dead?

i think you need to have a word with yourself

Dirk if she is working full time and on nights then I am sorry but you are telling us porkies or somebody is

three nights a week part time,
don’t do porkies mate.

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

And you think that is a bad salary Dirk?

The question I posed was because many nurses argue sisters do very little these days. It was a query.

[TF_dirkdiggler]

mmm 36 hrs a week never get’s a break or a sit down ever?
believe you me mate even the shit i have to put up with because of it is’nt worth it.
i wish she had a decent career like a pole dancer or somesuch.

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

She is in the wrong hospital Dirk. The one my Mrs works in only 1 Sister will come onto the ward to help and that is when they are absolutely snowed under. The rest steadfastly refuse to leave their office.

[TF_dirkdiggler]

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

She is in the wrong hospital Dirk. The one my Mrs works in only 1 Sister will come onto the ward to help and that is when they are absolutely snowed under. The rest steadfastly refuse to leave their office.

aye i think she’s what you might call old school,
same icu for 20 years thrives on hard work doesn’t suffer fools gladly and regularly starts early and finishes late to get the job done with no extra pay or recognition,

drives me mad ~think

anyway sorry for the thread hi jack back to topic methinks?

[TF_DAT]

My other half is a sister on a neo-natal intensive care unit.In my opinion the pay is good but it should be for what she does,what she knows and the pressure she works under.She works nights on a regular basis and almost always takes the sickest baby,as she knows that if the worst happens then someone has to sit with the parents whilst care is withdrawn and the baby dies.Probably not clever enough to do the job but even if i was,i dont think i would be strong enough.
I have been on the other side as a parent of a premature baby and i know how horrible it is from the other side,but when we have a loved one in hospital we can only see what they need.(when my lad was in hospital the wife said that if she had been in charge of the unit she would have had me escorted off the unit)
Anyway,hope all goes well for all of you with friends and relatives in hospital over christmas.Best wishes DAT

[TF_One Out of the Frame]

I worked as a nurse in mental health and learning disabilities for 22 years and although the salary was reasonable for the work it didn’t really compensate for the accountability that went with it.

Most NHS employed nurses will be contracted to work 37.5hrs a week but if you are the only registered nurse on duty you cannot take a break away from the workplace!

If you are responsible for your budget then you are unlikely to be claiming o/t for working in excess of hours and the likelihood of getting the time back as time-owing is highly unlikely.

My wife is a nurse working for the Crisis Intervention and Home Treatment Team in Coventry and I wouldn’t do her job regardless of salary!

[tunnel topper]

thanx for the kind words and wishes much apperciated.

mrs. tt. came home yesterday fron the ngh, with a pump attached to her belly. the pain team said that she could only come home if she hade the pain under control. the doc would not give her the medecine she was on in the hospital. she’s not moving much, the pump is farting like made, young one thinks thats funny! all home for Christmas, what could be better ~clap ~clap

with the exception of the doctor mentioned (actually the surgeon) everyone in the hospital has been brilliant.

with our Ainsley, and mrs.tt for the past 6 years we have needed the nhs more than most.
we complain alot but were would be without it.
i know those who work for the nhs are worth their weight in gold and there is no way i can ever thank them enough.
better stop, i’m getting too serious,

keep laughing while you can’

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