Paste fishing-missing bites….

[TF_liquid27]

Hi everyone!
Yesterday I fished first time with paste,and I had lots of missing baits.What I doing wrong?

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

I think you mean bites and you are striking at false indications.

[boyceyParticipant]

i think baitchef is right try not to feed to much and wait for the float to bury as most paste fishing is a positive bite.and try to fish the paste soft as well i see people fishing with rock hard paste that might as well be a 22mm pellet banded.enabling you to strike through the paste and conect with the fish.also check the hook to make sure you have the correct style

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

Dominic, tell us where you were fishing, what your swim was like and tell us about your rigs and what paste you were using and I am sure somebody on here will sort it for you.

[TF_Chris-turnerParticipant]

isnt it too earlly for paste? i dont know much about it either really,

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Chris is funny that lad that won our section today told me they had been catching all week on paste he mixed some up when i came round then fished caster.!Answer to original question wher are you fishing paste ?

[TF_craigm]

I fished the open at Farview lakes yesterday and it was won with 75lb of mirrors+commons all caught on paste.

[TF_liquid27]

I fished on Hollyhurst fishery on match lake,my rig was:main line 0,16, h/lenght 0,14, float 0,2g rizov,hook size 16 drennan wide gape(because I used pellets as well).One of the reasons missing bites could be,to hard paste…

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

The consistency of the paste is one of the main priorities. Some anglers advocate using very sloppy paste, whilst under the right circumstances it is very effective, it isn’t necessary. The key point to remember is that the consistency only needs to be soft enough so a short sharp strike will pull the hook clean of the paste. If you have your paste at this consistency, it will be far more manageable, and as a result you will spend far less time faffing about and more time with the paste where it matters,on the lake bed.

[TF_Cutnut]

Your paste was too hard by your own admission, if you can ship it out without using a toss pot or similar then it’s too hard. Getting bites and no connection is often down to hard paste where fish are nudging the bait or able to spit it out. Go as soft as you can without it being slop, you want the paste to create a small pile on the bottom not a pebble, the fish will suck up the paste with more confidence.

Rig wise, your choice was fairly simple and adequate but might need a tweek.

Some like to use no shot and let the paste do the cocking, a summer approach in my view.

My personal preference is to use, a long bristled pattern float,and a double bulk where the lower bulk either just touches bottom or lays on. The hook length to bulk generally is no longer than 6 inches and very often 2. Bites are either sail aways or the float rises up and holds for a fraction then sails off. I go for the lift bites and just lift into them, no striking like Zorro. Relatively soft hollow elastic equiv to a 10-12 for this time of year and a little heavier in the hot looney months.

I’ve been catching on paste for the last 3 weeks, friends that were using pellet caught more fish but smaller, mine were mostly 3lb or above. Favourite has been Sonubaits Green F1 crush mixed with liquidised expanders to create a paste that is dry/soft a piece the size of a 50p moulded into a diamond and delivered by tosspot. Try moulding some and drop it at your feet and watch it fall to the bottom and observe what happens to it. It should start to create a small soft heap within 10 seconds of hitting bottom, it will also create a haze around it.

Hope some of that makes sense.

I’m sure you will get other versions suggested. Take them all on board. The only real common factor will be the consistency of the paste.

[TF_liquid27]

Thank you everyone for replay.

[Average-AlParticipant]

Rob Hitchin and Jamie Masson to quote but two will tell you that having to ship bait out in a toss pot because its that soft is a load of boll**ks. Baitchef above has it right, remember carp are pigs with fins and when there up for paste you need to be in there with a lump on not fannying about with it dropping off half way out!!

[TF_swingtipbry]

agree with cutnut hes said the paste was to hard
if its your first time i would guess you fished dead depth but fished a uneven swim where the depth was deeper in some parts and the hard bait sometimes pulled the float down and you was thinking you had bites
when you first start paste fishing you must line up the pole and see a mark on your pole so the bait goes in exactly the same spot every time
take loads of time before you start to get a nice flat area to fish this is a must for 1st timers

[TF_swingtipbry]

keep trying the paste and say what problems you have people on here will find out what you are doing wrong but dont give up on the idea make it the one method you will master this year

[TF_Cutnut]

A-A when the fish are ‘Avin It’ you can fish just about anything on the hook. On venues where there are lots of small fish an over hard paste can drive a novice to give up, due to the number of false bites caused by the fish ‘nudging’ the nugget.

The anglers you quote are very good at what they do, and for the most part do it on fisheries stuffed with fish where competition between fish for food is fierce. This piggy nature of competing carp is used to great advantage and a slightly stiffer paste or even a fibrous one is better. A toss-pot is then not needed, as you are mostly fishiing as short as you can as fast as you can.

At longer distances and with a soft paste in early spring a toss-pot or similar is needed. If you are bouncing the paste out, you are:-
1. shipping unevenly…use two rollers.
2. Shipping too fast with a bouncy pole
3. using a shallow pot, either use a higher sided one or cover with loose groundbait.
4. Got top kits that have not been cut back enough and are too springy.
5. using an over heavy float that’s pulling the paste out.

If liquid27 starts off fishing stiff paste at this time of year I reckon he’ll get fed up and give up.
If he’s fishing in fish soup, then very few rules apply but the stiffness and size of the bait.

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

The thing is with paste is that sometimes if your new to it its easy to get things the wrong way around. What I mean by that is its most effective over the duration of a match fished out no more than 9m. In a match you might draw a flier where the fish are at 13m plus and paste might be the going bait, but it would be far more positive to fish say big chunks of hair rigged catmeat, which is far more durable and in the long run will save you time faffing.
Paste is just another bait and In fact its probably at its most effective in the margins or a foot or so just up from the bottom of the nearside slope, often referred to fishing the 2+2 (power top 2 + 2 sections). Fished here its possible to just nudge the paste up the slope so your fishing dead depth an the fish can attack it with their heads level, resulting in unmissable bites. The float usually nudges a bit as the fish begins to suck around and them wham! the float will shoot under very sharply, this is the bite you are looking for.
Also don’t be afraid of using a stupidly long antenna, I sometimes modify my floats so there is 3 inches showing, and Ive known anglers to fish 4 inch bristles. When that lot goes under, you know its fish on, but you do have to sit on your hands so to speak and ignore all other indications. Incidentally I still use a large pot to ship the paste, as i like to feed heavily ever put in as well as throwing bait in by hand. The pot also eliminates and potential problems. Another tip is to add another rubber onto the tip of the float bristle an run the line through that, a bit like a stick float, this will stop the line folding over the float, causing tangles and more frustration.

As for shotting there are loads of theories whats best, but to be honest sometimes I think you just need to find what your comfortable with. Some people like to fish dead depth with the paste acting as an anchor, some people like to fish loaded floats and no shot down the line, some double bulk, some even just have a single large shot resting on the deck and fished over depth with the line tight to the float, this is deadly as you are fishing immediately and you get very good lift bites as well as sharp pull unders!!

Anyway I could waffle on all day.Ha Ha (somebody needs to get out more)

[TF_drawbag1967]

Great discussion, I know a few are fishing paste now, but what are considered the absolute banker months for this style of fishing.

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

Its all about water temperature to be honest, obviously that means the summer, late spring, summer, early autumn when the fish are activly seeking out food. But like everything in fishing there are no hard rules.

[TF_liquid27]

When fishing with paste,what is better for feeding,groundbait or pellets?

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

Depends on the venue and the amount and size of fish. You can fish small balls of paste over groundbait for small carp, also skimmers and tench go mad for it.
Generally where i fish we feed 8mm pellets, because the fish average 2.5lb and on the right day if you draw the right peg 150lb+ is possible. Its a very selective way of feeding, In fact a good mate of mine had over 150lb in just 3 hours last summer!! And thats from a mixed lake. But when the fish were younger we first fed lots of dampened micros and groundbait.

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