stiffist pole

[shark7]

just wanting to know what the stiffest pole there is out there at the moment at 16m don’t care about lightness ,balance & so on just out & out stiffness any sugestions

[TF_bagging machineParticipant]

Probably G Max 1000

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Tricast Aristocrat so im informed Twice as stiff as my Airity and 1000 Quid cheaper!

[TF_paulcarpenter]

absolute 10 or my partners pole dancing pole ( dont tell her or you will give away her xmas present)

[TF_squatt]

This is why there is not a perfect pole, and opinions differ. Is stiffest best? Weight and or down force has to come into it. Weight could come from wall thickness and some people are interested in this. Pure stiffness could mean brittle, not good on carp. Spares packages and prices are all now similar across the board. Buying a top end pole is subjective, everyone fishes, plays fish differently, uses and sets elastic differently. Silvers/carp, rivers/commies the list is endless. Where anglers go wrong imo is as usual acting like sheep and buying the ‘best’ cause everyone else uses it.

[TF_Waveney One]

Mine is ~shh ~shh

[Anonymous]

if you mix the words extreemly stiff and carbon fiber they = easily snapped

[TF_stevie b]

I’ve got a Tri-Cast Trilogy. Not used it yet though!

My mate bought one at the same time and he say’s it one of the stiffest he has used for a while and he has had Tourney pro’s Maver 501’s etc.

I reserve judgement until Sunday if I get a chance to use it then!

[andy85Participant]

i cant see any tricast pole bein as stiff as say a diawa, maver or preston personally i seen the new one they brought out about a year ago think it was the trilogy an it was nice and strong but not the stiffest. come along way thou tricast in the past 5 year i used to use there pole all the time

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Andy ive got an Airity and i have had 2 people tell me its nowhere near as stiff or as good as a tricast Aristocrat Ive never picked an Aristocrat up so I cant vouch for their comments.

[Peter1984]

Ive been privileged to try the above pole and own most of them too at some point or another and I can tell you the Tri cast Trilogy is not that stiff nor is it that rigid at longer lengths. It is maybe comparable to a T-pro or airity with long 4s, but use the short 4 and the Daiwa is superior.
The Gmax is both stiff and more rigid than the tricast without shadow of a doubt. The balance of the tri cast is exceptional though and is probably better than both the daiwa and the garbolino.

[TF_Waveney One]

I just asked the missus

“Is stiffness all that?”

“Yes” she said so, I went back up the pub!

[TF_redarmy]

tri-cast do a short 4

[Bob NudeParticipant]

Colmic x5000 RBS…..

~clap ~clap

[TF_vicci5]

had my trilogy for more than three weeks now and have not had it out coz of the weather was told that its miles better balanced and lighter than both top daiwas though so can;t wait to av ago….weather permitting!

[TF_Kevin W]

How can you say ‘this pole is twice as stiff as that pole’? It’s a meaningless statement.

[TF_bagging machineParticipant]

I was thinking of buying a Trilogy a couple of weeks ago and went to a local tackle shop & took my Tricast Excellence with me to compare the two. We set up my Excellence @ 15.7m with no No1 the Trilogy @ 15.7m with no No1 and a brand new Pro X @ 16m without a number 1 or short butt. With all 3 laid across 2 rollers approx 4m apart the Pro X & Trilogy were exactly the same stiffness with the Excellence drooping just 1″ lower and thats an eight year old pole. In terms of weight the Trilogy was lighter than the Pro X with the Excellence noticeably lighter than the Trilogy. The balance of the Tricasts was also superior. I have no doubt the Trilogy is the strongest of the 3 poles but the Excellence (14 elastic rating)felt as strong as the Daiwa. I Think the shop owner was gobsmacked how the two Tricasts measured up against the flagship Daiwa.
After packing the 3 poles away, he got out a new Shimano Aspire Ultra for me to have a look at, this felt heavier than the Tricasts but had some excellent features, the sanded finish was fantastic as was the female strengthening wraps (similar to Tricast, none visible on the Daiwa) and the male sections had some kind of cross weave that has to be seen to be believed and the end of the 16m butt section it had a small metal ring to stop it chipping that I thought was a really nice touch but the Shimano came in at £2600. When I asked him about the price of spares which for many has always been an issue with Shimano I think he said £100 for a top 3 so thats in line with Tricast & Daiwa.

[TF_gaz r]

had a tourny ,then an aristocrat now have a trilogy and imo there aint alot in stiffness between any of them but the tricasts are stronger and better balanced for sure, the stiffest pole ive handled is def the garbo g1000

[TF_GLEBE1]

How long are the Tricasts, im sure i heard they come up shorter than most?????

[TF_bagging machineParticipant]

Trilogy 16.5m with a number one in and 16.0m with the number one out.

[TF_stevie b]

The excellencreally really good pole! I remember fishing with my mates when I had a trabucco sc carp 1. I kept shipping out with the excellecnce and as it was so light and well balenced I nearly threw it in the drink a number of times!

[TF_Rhino]

Another vote for the Colmic x5000, I got one recently and Ive had an Airity and an Elite 77.

I suspect the new Maver elite 88 may well upset that but not seen it yet.

I compared me airity to my mates aristocrat last year and it was considerably stiffer.

The Trilogy is strong and well balanced but is not in the top tier for stiffness.

[TF_matchpleasure]

I know this isnt anything to do with the stiffness discussion here fella’s but re the length mentioned above, if you have the time,try setting yer pole/s up and then actually measure with / without the number 1’s in. my mate and i did it with our margin poles (the daiwa yank and bank, the tourny pro and tourny pro x),dont know if its just daiwa but they were considerably shorter than the stated length!

[TF_wightangler]

nice at this time to remember that both Daiwa and Tri-cast( excellence owner) particuarly are British manufactured and keeps our people employed with world leading products.

[shark7]

I’ve had both the Airty & tourny pro & you really needed the short 4 to stiffen them up at 16m that short 4 really makes a difference i now own a browning Z9 & bought a short 4 for it but when added only made a slight difference to a already stiff pole but the stiffest pole i’ve had is a shimano Aspire AX pro it was stiffer then all of them & longer too regret getting rid but the cost of spares was eye watering …

[TF_NigeC]

Interesting thread this but to be honest am never quite sure why people are so interested in stiffness over balance and shipping finish to be honest with you…. ?

I own a tourney pro and regularly fish it at 18M+ during the summer and it’s a slight handful at times but perfectly fishable. Don’t think I’d benefit massively by buying another pole which droops an inch or two less over it’s length tbh… ?

p.s, The finish on the tourney is proper shite tho and no question. I would be perfectly happy to trade up to the pro x which I would expect to be as stiff as the original tourney but with a decent finish! 🙂

NigeC

[TF_craigm]

@shark7 wrote:

I’ve had both the Airty & tourny pro & you really needed the short 4 to stiffen them up at 16m that short 4 really makes a difference i now own a browning Z9 & bought a short 4 for it but when added only made a slight difference to a already stiff pole but the stiffest pole i’ve had is a shimano Aspire AX pro it was stiffer then all of them & longer too regret getting rid but the cost of spares was eye watering …

Got to agree with you on this, I now own a Z9 and its pretty stiff, definately stiffer than the Airity I had, I’ve also had an Aspire pro and that was stiff but wasn’t the strongest and when i broke my no7 they quoted me £750. ~naughty
Also had a G10 and had 3 breaks on no5’s in 3 weeks while fishing shallow. Soon got rid of that too.~sick

[TF_Slider]

We had a Trilogy up against my G10 and the G10 was miles stiffer ! It was loads heavier aswell mind but I still wouldnt swap it.

What Tri cast do is strength, however the trilogy is easily fishable at 16 all day so you need to see what suits you.

As for the stiffest pole, the Maver Elite 77 is hard ot beat !

[TF_gloves007uk]

My maver Elite 77 i think is hard to beat with a match top 3 on and a light elastic in it

each to their own though ~think
also the z9 looks pretty good

[TF_CHRIS.V.Participant]

Surely the stiffer the pole the weaker the pole.
IF your elastic bottoms out whats going to give next if there is no give in the pole and you fishing heavy?? The pole~sick

[TF_wiggley worm]

shark7 you are a tart ~clap

[TF_gloves007uk]

@CHRIS.V. wrote:

Surely the stiffer the pole the weaker the pole.
IF your elastic bottoms out whats going to give next if there is no give in the pole and you fishing heavy?? The pole~sick

Chris you have a point mate as i said my elite is stiff
but it has took me some time to get use to it due to the walls being very thin and at times very spongy

[TF_carpmagicParticipant]

I have to add that stiffer poles arent as good in a strong cross wind either. If you hang onto them then they tend to go bang as theres just no flex.

[TF_paulD]

I dont think ultra stiff poles are any good for the sort of fishing most of us do nowdays. They need a bit if give. Look how much your pole bends with a lump on. Ive had to close my eyes a few times when ive had the odd big foulhooker or “nutter” on the Z9. The G10’s are ultra stiff but ive seen (and heard) so many let go under pressure. the local shop does a good trade in 6ths.

I tried the Colmic and it felt billiant but not sure it would be strong enough for a clumsy angler like me. And would be worried about spares.

I wonder how much longer Diawa can afford to make poles in scotland ? the SR’s are already chinese. Will be a sad day when they stop.

[TF_redarmy]

one of the reasons i got rid of my g10 was breakages even had a 13m section replaced that broke clean in half when i lifted into a bite.others with g10 have had no problems but quite a few have

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

Am I right in thinking that is why Daiwa deliberately build in a certain amount of give into their poles? I am pretty sure Fordy posted a video where they showed you the machine that tests sections to breaking point.

[TF_Gavin]

@wightangler wrote:

nice at this time to remember that both Daiwa and Tri-cast( excellence owner) particuarly are British manufactured and keeps our people employed with world leading products.

Remember only the top-end Daiwa’s are manufactured in Scotland!

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