world champs

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Strange there are no posts yet about the world champs yet.I think the rest of the world are now starting to catch us up. we may have to ban puddle fishing and force anglers to fish natural waters lol.wishful thinking on my part. I wont fish carp lakes unless i am forced to in the leagues i fish.

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Think everyones dissapointed

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The international scene have moved a lot in just the last 3-4 years. The England team have for a lot of years spent 2 weeks before a big competition, 1 week alone, and 1 week with the rest of the teams. This year this was easily surpassed by at least 4 other countries: Italy, Belgium, Holland and Hungary. All teams spent at least 1 month at the ostellato channel, trying to lure the secrets away, according to the talk at the channel.

Then have a look at the top 5 in the teams competition – then you won’t be surprised that England “only” managed a 5th place.

Then add to the equation that the teams from eastern europe is also getting better, very fast. Then you’ll easily see that the professionalism that the England Team have carried for years, is not something they have for themselves anymore.

I don’t see England not dominating the international scene for the years to come. The individual quality of the anglers is still from the top shelf, but the dominance won’t be as clear as it has been in the past. A team like Holland have anglers in their 20’s that are already used to competing at the WC and EC level – where will they be in 20 years? My bet: competing with the best english anglers, as well as eastern europeans etc.

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Maybe Team GB will have to blood some younger anglers sooner rather than later if the rest are catching up. Is there an open selection process or is too tight and if your face doesn’t fit? That by the way is just a question before someone jumps down my throat!

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i agree with everything thats been said.In most euro countries there are very few carp match lakes, so most of thier matchs are on natural waters.More and more anglers never fish a river or a canal yet alone a proper lake in this country this must make finding new talant a nightmare. that have the skills needed to compete at the highest level. I am at a loss to how we can turn it around. Any ideas.

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we have got few very good young anglers coming through, matt derry and matt godfrey have a lot of expereince in the england set up, barnsley have one or two good young anglers who could step in as well, so things are not all doom and gloom

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not forgetting our current team fishing in this country the national and evesham will be the only big team events next year
i’ve said it times we need a proper format for team fishing whether its once a month or once every two weeks ,anglers are still out there who want to fish for a team and team events we need to stop all this fragmentation of small matches here and there we need anglers that are keen to compete against the best anglers in the country and not drop out after a couple of batterings at the next peg .no one ever stops learning about angling and yes it can kick you in the teeth ,but there is nothing better when you do well against the top anglers
its easy to go to commercial fisheries fare play i’m not knocking it but if you feel you have something to offer or contribute to your country then you really need to fishing against the best to be noticed waggler,slider and pole work is a art and can only be mastered on natural venues
we can all blame money and the recession but all we have to do is cut back on the little matches to fish the big it might be once a month with a bit of practice if you have’nt the money ,the European’s are miles in front and believe men they all live for fishing and team fishing

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[TF_Dr.Phil]

When i heard that teams like Belgium ,Holland and Italy had camped out on the venues then i am not surprised about the result . Surely there should be a rule that you can only fish it the week prior. You have to think of all the other teams flying in for a week/10 days – they cannot afford to be there for such a long period.
Its true that fishing in the UK is more open matches and less on team but others i know back in my native Leicestershire area inform me that small club matches are on the increase as so many stay away from commercial ‘opens’ where some local-ace anglers camp out and gain a huge advantage on any new anglers entering the venue’s matches.But thats fishing ! , you either fish it or you dont , you have that choic

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your not far wrong Dr phil leicestershire used to be the place to be river matches canal matches lakes and commercials it has it all ,but for some reason its fallen off the scale I’ve not fished one open on the river perhaps one on the canal non on the lakes and i try not to fish commercials 😮 😮 yet our waters are booked out for club matches quite regularly and you can’t fish them for love nor money almost a funny hand shake to get in 😀
i now have started to travel for bigger matches

[TF_wightangler]

makes me laugh how when England don’t win- then most decry english fortunes and come out with tired old cliches that same repeated last time england had a below performance- some while ago now and Finland if memory serves?

England could actually have been 3rd with Stu Conroy a gold if a certain team had’nt successfullylobbied for a species excemption that did’nt apply in all the other events.
Certainly, England did’nt come up with the correct plan in practice as this varied immensely- and team tactical plan usually is the major factor, together with the unparralled experianced squad, in most wins.
Also, a certain guido Nullens managed a medal again and he’s been about longer than Steve Gardener.
Well done to the Italians and Dutch though as their team points underlined.
I’d wait until you read the whole story first before writing England off suddenly.

The only thing i would agree upon, is the need for more competitions like 4,6 nations to bring in fresh faces at that level.
Ironically, the very success of the 4 nations on Fsho day 2 may mean that the ability to blood new prospects is resticted given that viewers, spectatotors and sponsors may want the current team as main attraction.
As regards, younger faces- the current english scene is alive and increasingly dominated by them.
Messrs. Kerry, Carass, and the impecible Godfrey would walk into any team in the world.’Strangely’- they all fish both natural and commercial venues succesfully.
And yes- the average ability of continental teams(witness Russia and Hungary(though state resource research support and assistence must help in Hungary;s case) has massively improved which can only improve standards and the event. ‘Strangely’- they all fish both natural and commercial venues succesfully.
Indeed, increasingly the difference between our ‘natural waters’ and commies is blurred.
A distinction could be made between our waters and the vast continental rivers and canals- but this years Italian venue was a venue right up our street.
Difference between wiinning and failing at top level is very fine- 3-4 hrs. -so team plan makes a real difference.
England, failed only by their own exceptional standards, and as the expected reports will show- by a much narrower margin than the results imply.

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Please don’t use the catfish as en excuse for Englands performance. Fact is that the catfish were so abundant in the channel, that if they hadn’t been banned every team would have been stupid not to rig a 30 lbs rod with a big multiplier, trying to lure a big fish with leaches or worms as hookbaits. They could have done that, and still fished it to CIPS-rules.

Fact is that England was beaten by a strong home side, and some other countries who had done their homework. As much admiration and respect the english lads gets for bringing home gold from other WC’s and EC’s, they should also awknowledge when they simply were not good enough. This is one of those rare occasions.

[TF_Dr.Phil]

It depends how desperate countries are to gain that top spot . Italy on home turf obviously practiced for weeks prior to the competition , Belgium and Holland also . Is that fair that they are allowed to practice for so long on the water ?: Ask the other 35 countries how they feel about that ,some coming to Italy with little sponsorship from suppliers or from their national federations.
– IS IT NOT FAIRER ONLY TO ALLOW TRAINING THE ONE WEEK BEFORE THE COMPETITION STARTS WHEN ALL THE TEAMS ARE PRESENT AT THE SAME TIME ?
– DID THE INTERMEDIATES ,JUNIORS ,LADIES ,DISABLED ALSO SUFFER IN THEIR RESULTS DUE TO OTHER COUNTRIES PRACTISING HEAVILY ? – NOT EVERYTHING SURROUNDS THE SENIORS – WHAT ABOUT THE FEEDER TEAM ?
ENGLAND WILL BOUNCE BACK FOR SURE (FROM A FIFTH , WHICH IS STILL GREAT) BUT THE WORLD BODY MUST CURB PRACTICE PERIODS AS THEN ITS FAIR FOR ALL !

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Dr. Phil: You seem to forget that if anybody can be blamed for practicing for more than a week, then it is actually England, who have practiced 2 weeks as far back as I remember.

I think it is perfectly fair to practice as much as you can. The lesser teams wouldn’t stand a chance even if practice wasn’t allowed (other than the 5 days already included)

[TF_fred van den feeder]

wightangler, I was there as Captain for the Swedish team and on the Captains meeting it was acculy Mark Downes that suggested that all Catfish should be band.

The best team won and the best angler won the individual gold. It is hard for us to compet on this leval and when big good team put the effort in to practis as they did its not much we can do. its obvious that in one week of practis you cant pick up what they learned in a few month… Still i love the event and the fishing in Ostellato was unbeliveble! Any chans i get to go back i will take it.

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Thanks Fred- for putting record straight re-catfish,
and well done for your efforts- certainly did not mean to detract from Italy’s performance or indeed the Dutch, and undeniably ‘smaller nations’ dramatic progress underlines how much better the overall competition is and means.
Indeed, as a competitor and team captain – your impressions and account of the match- what tactics were needed and formulated so undeniably successfully by the Italians- would be really be appreciated and welcome to a lot of people on here – and indeed your view of the match-fishing scene in Sweden and the FIPS from the Swedish perspective would be really of great interest(your observation on practice times well noted).
Would say, site is lucky to have you on here and grateful for your time. 🙂

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a true fishing match would suit the england team.i.e. on a venue that actually has a few fish in it.some of the venues for the recent international matches(world club champs,european champs) havee been shocking. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

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i wouldn’t of thought there are many better venues than the one in Italy even with all that practice it still fished brilliantly in most sectors
jamie masson 25kgs of skimmers you can’t get better than that
i heard the italians used a very very light mix with added salt and floating jokers 😮 thats a first to me

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Don’t forget practice is not allowed ON THE VENUE for 3 weeks before official practice begins one week before. Anglers practising have to fish adjacent sections. As for us not having ‘natural venue’ matches that would help, I don’t think it’s difficult to organise them, is it? There are the venues – lower Gt Ouse & Cam, Huntspill, lower Thames to a degree, Trent, Steak and Kidney, Aire & Calder to name but a few. Trouble is no one shows up, they cost an arm and a leg to get to and an age to get back from, except for locals, and bait bills are massive and often wasted. And none of them have many carrassio in…

The managers of the Seniors and Feeder teams both freely admit they got things such as bait and tactics wrong and the anglers fish to team orders, NOT as they see fit. I can name (but I won’t) several former internationals who are ‘former’ because they didn’t comply with team orders, even though they actually did BETTER going their own way. When you play sport as a team, you live or die as a team.

The Ladies got it SPOT ON but after day 1 their tactics were copied by other top teams and that took the edge away.

The Vets got it wrong but most of the team members were not good enough bleak anglers when they were 25, never mind 60, to challenge those that have fished for bleak all their match fishing careers. I remember Ray Mumford’s master plan on the Anglers Mail international that was Ray’s concept on the Thames at Walton that was HEAVING with bleak back then. He chose a bleak team: Himself, Ade Scutt, Tom Pickering (The Bionic Bleaker for those ‘of an age’), Eddie Kemp and someone else I can’t remember. They got absolutely battered, except Tom who was end peg above the carnage.

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Thats my point kieth.All our England team anglers should be fishing in europe much more. there are plenty of matches over there. time should not be a factor as most are pro anglers. And would be fully supported by thier sponsors, plus the N.F.A could chip in as well. This would give them a chance to fish against the best all the time. What do you guys think. As a side note spoke John Weedon today and while out in Italy he was shown how to knock up sticky mag. completely different to anything i have seen or read about it food for thought i think.

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1/ There is no such thing as the NFA, it was absorbed into the Angling Trust which has no spare funds to back teams because anglers won’t join. Don’t forget the ladies, disabled etc had to pay their own way.

2/ Are there matches in Europe to fish? There are no such things as ‘opens’ as far as I know, only organised events run by either companies or governing bodies – which would mean our team having to join another GB.

3/ Most of our team aren’t pro anglers! Alan Scotthorne is, to a degree Will Raison is. Des drives a fork lift, Sean delivers groundbait, Stu installs windows and Steve G runs a tackle shop.

4/ It would cost an absolute fortune, everywhere would have to be driven to, because taking fishing gear on planes now is nigh-on impossible and if they couldn’t practice on the venues, what would be the point in going?

We have to face it: we have always been light years behind in groundbaits, especially with regard to French, Dutch and Belgians who rarely buy ‘ready-made’. We’re probably best in the World using soil/leam but as soon as it’s anything cereal, we buy what’s in packets off the shelf. You should know how I’ve always felt about that Lol, we spoke about it often enough.

Technical ability, England are best so there’s nothing wrong with how we fish. The Ukraines turned up with ONE ROD EACH on the feeder event, in a wooden case like a snooker-cue-box. They cast out, left it until the rod went round and reeled in a fish! Uncomplicated, simple fishing. Big hooks, strong line, big fish. Simples!

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i will bow to ur greater knowledge keith how r u any way hope ur fit and well m8.pity there are many matches on the lower thames its fishing well.Read an 1999 issues of match fishing today how times have changed in the style of fishing.

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I’m good thanks mate, just no time to bloody fish but I am going Wednesday unless something nasty happens. I may go to Gold and try to catch that huge ‘crucian’ to tell what it is one way or t’other. Cheers

[TF_the margin gnome]

Does anyone know why each team no longer fishes against every other team in each section? It actually wouldnt have changed the team result but the individual would have been different. Fini of Italy who won the individual would have been 9th yet Gabba of Italy would have won a 36 peg section on both days nevermind an 18 peg one and would have been the worthy champ.

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